Message #7472 - CULT_WATCH Date : 21-Nov-90 03:04 From : Janardana Dasa To : Rowan Moonsto

WARNING: The Cult Awareness Network was destroyed by the Scientology
crime syndicate in court and, when CAN went bankrupt, the Scientology
criminal enterprise acquired the use and title of the Cult Awareness
network.  Now, if you call CAN, you will find yourself talking to
the Scientology crime syndicate!  This gross injustice was due to a
massive frame up concocted by Scientology to destroy CAN and it
worked, prompting a Judge to order all of CAN's records handed over
to the very same criminal enterprise that most people contacted the
real CAN to complain about and to acquire help fighting.  Spread
the word that the new Cult Awareness Network is now a Scientology
crime syndicate front! - flr, feb 2003

Message #7472 - CULT_WATCH
	Date : 21-Nov-90 03:04
	From : Janardana Dasa
	  To : Rowan Moonstone
Subject : Can, Scp References...
Replies : #7471 <--> #7473

> You bet I want to know more.  Spill the beans.  I'm listening. BB
> Rowan
	  I was beginning to think no one wanted to know!
	  First of all, a little background information is in order:
	  In 1986, after 8 or so years as a fringe (sometimes serious)
member of the Hare Krishna movement, I left "for good."  I felt
bitter about in-fighting, politics, etc., and thought the entire
religion was at fault rather than the offending parties, which is
probably the case in many horrid "cult stories."
	  After a year or so mucking about in Chicago trying to make a
living, I came into contact with members of the Cult Awareness
Network, both the Executive Director (interim), Mary Krone of
Crystal Lake, and the past Executive Director, Reginald Alev of
Skokie.  In no time my disgust with the Hare Krishna's turned to
hate, fear, paranoia and more after their "counselling" and
"assurances".
	  There are very few "ex" Hare Krishna's available to CAN,
therefore I became a hot item, a propaganda tool to be pulled out
where and when they wanted.  I did their TV talk show circuit,
radio shows, newspapers, and spoke at scores of local CAN
meetings, and even stood on various CAN committee projects, like
the Jonestown Memorial project in San Francisco.  In time, as all
good "ex-members" do, I had my first taste of blood (so-to-
speak), when CAN orchestrated the kidnapping and deprogramming of
William Crocket, a ten year member of an off-shoot of the Krishna
movement.  I took part in the crime believing the whole time that
what I was doing was for his own good - because we, CAN, knew
better.  We were the judges of what is good and what is bad
religion, and no crime great or small was beyond our limits to
prove just that.
	  During the deprogramming of Billy, we subjected him to
countless humiliations and degradations "to drive our point
home."  He was forced to view over and over again various Hitler
videos, scenes from the Jonestown massacre movie, Stalin parades,
Hitler again, Jonestown again, on and on, all the while we were
telling him he was in a similar situation "jonestown...
JONEStown.. JONESTOWN!," like some sick chant.
	  At any rate, the attempt was a triumph for Billy, who rode
through the deprograming fighting all the way and winning in the
end.  CAN supplied 3 of the nations top deprogrammers, and
myself, inexperienced but fired-up, plus 5 or six security men,
and the event took over eight days and we couldn't crack Billy.
	  After the ordeal, my guilt weighed so heavily that I began
to question higher-up's in CAN about the ethics involved.  What
right did we have to abuse another human being's freedom, violate
his body, hold him in a bedroom prison, abuse his mind, and
otherwise strip him of his human rights and dignities?  My
questions were responded to across the board with "Shut up."
"You'll never do another deprogramming as long as you live,"
"Leave the issue alone." etc.
	  I spent the next year still within the outskirts of CAN
investigating for myself just what went on.  In October of last
year, I got together with Billy Crocket (my victim), and we held
a big press conference in NYC wherein I publicly apologized to
him, and denounced CAN.  Since then, I have been the victim of
threats, harrassment, propaganda and lies, and denials from CAN
that they ever knew me, despite the documentation, news articles,
etc., that prove otherwise.
	  The investigations, with the aid of Baltimore-based Friends
of Freedom, inc., netted stacks of files on CAN and their
henchmen deprogrammers that includes countless felony arrests for
kidnapping, cocaine posession, assault with the intent to commit
murder, soliciting lewdness (CAN's president), and now a current
investigation into CAN for spreading racial and/or religious Hate
propaganda and committing Hate Crimes (under the gov't's new Hate
Crimes Act).
	  Again, all this is clearly documented in our files and is
available to anyone interested, some on disk, most on paper.
	  A few examples:
	  1989 - San Diego, CA.  Ginger Brown, a member of a small
Christian Church called Great Among Nations, is kidnapped and
held against her will for three days.  She manages to escape
after sustaining more than 250 bruises and lacerations at the
hands of deprogrammer Cliff Daniels.  Daniels is charged with
Kidnapping and assault, but is acquitted when Ginger could not
press the issue against her parents, who contacted CAN for the
deprogrammers...)
	  1988 - Pittsburg, PA.  Gwynn Fintell (Gopi-priya Devi), a
Hare Krishna member, is abducted from a highway rest area, forced
into the back of a van and held for two weeks against her will
until she "recanted" her faith (she faked it though and immediately
returned to her husband and family).
	  1990 - Louisville, KY.  A Unification Church member is
abducted and held in a vacant house on the outskirts of town
while deprogrammers worked on her.  Police, however, were tipped
off by suspicious neighbors and the girls pleading husband, and
upon arriving at the scene found the girl bound and released her.
	  I may be taking up too much space here, but the list of
cases is endless.
	  What is CAN's authority?  First and foremost it's an anti-
religious agenda that dates back to it's beginnings.  Next it's
racial.  Almost ALL the churches they attack are either founded
by or currently led by NON-WHITE AMERICANS.  CAN doesn't care,
for example, that an Indian boy might join the Hare Krishna
temple, since that's his culture, that's normal.  But God forbid
any white Amerikan boy joining - then it's a cult!
	  Ah well, if you're interested in more, I can be reached on the
Krishna Yoga Foundation BBS Echo's (FNET and KRISHA), or by mail: Rel.
Freedom Proj. 1744 W. Devon, Box 86, Chgo, IL  60660.   Hare Krishna.

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Message #8780 - CULT_WATCH
	Date : 26-Nov-90 06:00
	From : Intruder One
	  To : Janarda Dasa
Subject : Can, Etc

Mr Dasa, or should I say Mr. Nordquist? I have been reading with interest
about your comments on CAN and such. Let's begin with your "connection' with
CAN. In fact you were not in on any "deprogrammings" but was taken in by an
elderly lady in CA that thought you wan't out of your group. Then you repaid
her by taking all sorts of files with you when you left. You are not a part of
CAN and probably never were. As for you being at CAN national, let's talk
about that for awhile. I did see you in Chicago at the conference having a
'birthday' party in the lobby. Running thru the halls with baloons was a nice
touch. Basically, I will respond to your comments and give a different view as
to what you are doing. By the way, I am NOT a member of CAN national, but
someone interested in what they do. I have found this whole subject very
interesting. I also enjoy you folly of making all this anti-religion on the
part of CAN. In fact many different religions were represented at the CAN
national, including a few pagans. Also your reference to attacking non-whites,
many of the participants were of minority groups that were victims of
white-supremacy groups. So, if you were there, you show me you had a hidden
agenda as to what you were doing there.