Just to get the list going again, I found the below at a Christian site. As I recall there

Just to get the list going again, I found the below at a Christian site.

As I recall there were some few asking why some of us are sometimes so
rabidly anti-Chirstian

I think this excerpt will answer that question quite nicely.


        Quoted material follows (but I bet somebody still blaims _me_)
                                 (be sure to check the URL at the end)

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>Excerpted from: 
>
>*How Does A Nice Guy Like Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail?*
>
>God's Law is Supreme
>
>By Randall Terry
>
>After nearly fifteen years in Christian ministry, I have been through
>more battles (and certainly more jails!) than most Christians will go
>through in a lifetime. As I have observed the Church throughout the
>second half of the seventies, the eighties, and now the nineties, I
>have been hopeful at her potential, yet troubled, dismayed, and even
>brokenhearted at her inability - or unwillingness - to stand for God
>and His Word in our nation and to impact the culture at large.
>
>Most Christians today pay lip service to the concept of "Higher
>Law." They acknowledge that God's Law is higher than man's law.
>Even those who are the most rabidly against Operation Rescue, even
>those who say we should always obey the law of man, celebrate the
>Fourth of July. So much for consistency.
>
>I'll bet that most Christians in America have never stopped to
>seriously meditate on "The Fourth of July," its biblical and
>philosophical underpinnings, and what the Declaration of
>Independence meant for the signers.
>
>* It meant the signers were breaking the law.
>
>* It meant that they were guilty of treason.
>
>* It meant that they were prepared to go to war for the freedoms we
>take for granted.
>
>* It meant that real men fired real bullets at other real men who shed
>blood, died excruciating, real deaths, and left behind real grieving
>widows and orphans on both sides of the war.
>
>The American Revolution was not a debate about Romans 13 nor a
>civics lesson on freedom. It was a war for freedom dedicated to the
>proposition that all men are created endowed by the Creator with
>certain inalienable rights; it was a war founded on a belief in Higher
>Law.
>
>Tragically, while most Christians pay lip service to "Higher Law,"
>they do not possess a concrete or even modest conviction or
>understanding of Higher Law.
>
>Those Christians who argue against Operation Rescue or smuggling
>Bibles into China or praying at high school graduations on the basis
>of Romans 13 have foolishly turned the Bible on its head. They have
>made God's Word subservient to man's evil law - in the name of
>Romans 13. In the name of the Bible, they subjugate the Bible to
>pagans. Unfortunately, those "law and order" Christians have not
>looked at the whole Bible, nor rightly divided the Word of Truth.
>Let's take a little closer look at Romans 13:1-5:
>
>Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For
>there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are
>established by God. Therefore he who resists authority has opposed
>the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive
>condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause for fear
>for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of
>authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
>for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is
>evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a
>minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who
>practices evil. Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only
>because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
>
>Please note that God ordained government to punish wicked doers
>and to praise the righteous. Question: What do we do when the
>government rejects its God-ordained duty and does the exact
>opposite - praising and protecting the wicked, while punishing and
>persecuting the righteous? This passage does not deal with that
>dilemma.
>
>I believe the apostle Peter answered the question most succinctly
>when he said, "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
>Again and again we see in the Scriptures that when God's law and
>man's law conflict, the saints of God must obey God.*
>
>The saints of God "broke the law" not only when they were
>commanded to do evil, but when they were commanded not to do
>good. "Don't pray!" Daniel was told. "Don't preach," the apostles
>were told. Christians nowadays are told, "Don't rescue babies";
>"Don't smuggle Bibles"; "Don't preach about political matters in
>your church"; "Don't pray at school commencements."
>
>We need to do some serious studying and thinking and do it fast.
>The conflict between God's Law and man's law is not only in the
>realms I've mentioned. The battle is intensifying in America on a
>multitude of fronts. The pagans are using the law to slowly crush
>biblical morality and justice on all fronts. The God-haters are using
>the law to harass and intimidate families and churches who believe
>and practice the teachings of the Bible. "Children's rights" lunatics
>are using the law to persecute parents who spank their children. The
>statists are slowly using man's law to obtain control over what
>pastors preach and whom they hire.
>
>First Principle - God Rules
>
>We've got to accept this simple principle: God rules. His Law is
>supreme. And he requires all men in all nations at all times to obey
>his laws. And when His law and man's law conflict, His law is the
>unquestionable authority. Man's law at that point is unrighteous
>tyranny.
>
>For those who doubt this conclusion, please consider these
>questions:
>
>* Whose law is eternal - God's or man's?
>
>* Can God's Law be rescinded, revised or improved?
>
>* Does God hold His Law or man's law to be higher when the two
>are in conflict?
>
>* Does God want His people to obey His Law or man's when the
>two are in conflict?
>
>* Does God hold all rulers in all nations - including non-Christians -
>accountable to His Law, or are the lost free to do what they want?
>
>If the lost are free to do as they please, to what standard will God
>hold them accountable? By what standard will He judge them? How
>can the Holy Spirit convict them of sin if the measure of sin (the
>Law) has been removed? We need to forever settle in our minds and
>hearts the supremacy of God's Law. While we quibble over what
>place we think the Bible should have in culture and law, our enemies
>know exactly where they want the Bible.
>
>Our Enemies' Vision for the Bible
>
>Our enemies want the complete eradication of Christianity and
>biblical principles from our public schools, our city, county, state,
>and federal governments.
>
>The secular Humanist elite preach "tolerance," but they are absolutely
>intolerant of a God-centered, Bible-based view of law and culture.
>They want the influence of the Law of God eradicated from this
>nation (except, of course, that part in Romans 13 that the pietists
>wrongly believe calls them to submit to the pagan government's
>every demand - rebels in power love to wave Romans 13 in front of
>Christians).
>
>The pagan elite and Bible-phobes boldly march forward, trying to
>stamp out biblical Christianity, while we timidly speak of a
>"Judeo-Christian ethic," "pluralism," and "tolerance." I believe that
>those Christian leaders, teachers, and pastors who side with man's
>law above God's Law are unwitting collaborators with the enemy for
>America's demise. They might mean well - they might be sincere -
>but they are sincerely deceived and sincerely deceiving.
>
>Our Vision of the Bible
>
>Let us be just as bold - no, more bold - than God's enemies. Not
>only is God's Law above man's law, but it must undergird man's
>law. For man's law to be legitimate, it must be founded on biblical
>law.
>
>We want our nation and all its institutions to be self-consciously built
>on the laws and principles of God's Word. Any other foundation
>will crumble. God's Law is over all human authority. And God's
>Law is the only unchanging, transcendent law from heaven, the only
>set of moral absolutes upon which human authority can rest.
>
>Those Christian leaders who insist that we not enter the cultural fray
>with the Ten Commandments as our spoken foundation are
>misguided, and they are leading the church astray. Not only are
>many Christian leaders unsure of the supremacy of God's Law over
>man's law, but they question whether or not we should even discuss
>human law in connection with biblical law. They feel it's out of
>bounds for us.
>
>The antichrists in power like nothing better than when pastors
>proclaim hell's party lines: "Religion and politics don't mix, "and
>"Don't bring politics in the church," and "We live in a pluralistic
>society, so we can't bring our Christian convictions into politics."
>This is foolishness, a deception from hell. The rebels in power
>pronounce their rebellion against God, and we so much as tell them
>this is their right, that God accepts their "pluralistic" rebellion.
>
>But God warns them: "Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with
>trembling, Kiss he Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the
>way" (Psalm 2:11,12).
>
>Equal Time With Hell
>
>Yet another attempt at compromise that many Christian leaders have
>come up with at first seems reasonable, but it is rotten to the core. It
>goes like this: "We just want equal time."
>
>Wrong! We don't want "equal time" with baby-killers, condom
>pushers, New Agers, and sodomite recruiters. We do not want them
>to have any access to public schools. We won't tolerate their having
>a single minute to expose our children or anyone else's children to
>their godless agenda. Planned Parenthood, Queer nation and their
>cohorts form hell have no right to give the time of day to children in
>school and fill their unsuspecting minds with filth. We don't want
>equal time, because we want them to have no time.
>
>We will not put the flawless, eternal Word of God on the same par
>with godless laws, or the ungodly lies of men and demons. God's
>Law is supreme and will abide forever. man's rebellious thoughts are
>as chaff for the fire.
>
>Intolerance Is a Beautiful Thing
>
>In the light of God's holy, flawless, unchanging eternal Word, we
>have a duty to be intolerant of the pagan world agenda. They often
>accuse uss of being intolerant. We should wear this intended insult
>as a badge of honor.
>
>In the book of Revelations, Jesus rebuked the church of Thyatira
>because "You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a
>prophetess, and she teaches and leads my bondservants astray, so
>that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols"
>(Rev. 2:20).
>
>So please, don't waver. Your love for God and His Word should
>make you intolerant of abominations and perversions. We must reach
>out in mercy to those who are trapped in sin; we must offer the grace
>of God to His enemies, but we are not called to shower "mush love"
>on those who are knowingly, deliberately leading people astray. We
>must warn the enemies' leaders of the coming judgment of God and
>encourage them to repent and turn to Christ.
>
>But we must also denounce their agenda and fearlessly rebuke their
>paganism, especially in public settings. Your allegiance to the King
>of the Universe should make you intolerant of the prophets of Baal -
>the leaders and the agenda of the rebels of our day. In fact, you may
>want to read 1 Kings 18 to see the contempt God's prophets have for
>Baal's prophets. The false prophets were proclaiming lies. Elijah
>was prophesying God's Word. Elijah mocked them.
>
>Why? Because Elijah knew the only true God and had received His
>Word. The prophets of Baal were following deceptive demons,
>prophesying lies, and leading the people astray. Elijah did not
>dignify their pagan deity, pagan ideas, and pagan immorality by
>showing pluralistic respect for what he knew was a hellish lie.
>
>God's Law is supreme. Heaven and earth will pass away, but God's
>Word will not. And if the culture is going to survive, every power
>base must be rebuilt on the bedrock of God's Law. We cannot
>compromise with the prophets of Baal. We cannot appease those
>who are dedicated to our demise.
>
>* See Ex. 1:15-2:5; Heb. 11:23; Josh. 2; Dan. 3; Dan. 6; Matt.
>2:1-12; Acts 9:23-25; Acts 12:5-10; 2 Cor. 11:32-33.
>
>Reprinted by permission of the author: How Does a Nice Guy Like
>Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail? chapter three: "God's Law Is
>Supreme."
>
> 
>

>Christian Worldview http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1492/


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        Have a happy solstice!

	Michael Fisher, ET1/SS USN ret., lawstudent	

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     must guard even his enemy from oppression; 
     for if he violates this duty, 
     he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
		
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