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Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. From: trott@remus.rutgers.edu (Rich Trott) Message-ID: The following is an excerpt from a radio program I taped. Those interested in crackpots might find it entertaining. For example, there is the claim below that the Stoics and the Epicureans were evolutionary (as in, Darwin) thinkers. Anway, I would appreciate commentary from people more versed in theology than I am. Thank you. Please do not attribute Dr. Morris's comments to me! ====================================================================== Host: Dr. Morris is the author of some 45 books, most of them on the creation/evolution theme. Today, we'll begin a two-part discussion on creation as the foundation, specifically today, the topic: creation being the foundation of true Christianity. When you say foundational, Dr. Morris, in what sense? Morris: Well, in the sense that it is the foundation of all of Christian faith and life. Many people have the notion, of course, this is kind of an incidental topic -- you can believe it or not believe it -- it's really not vital. As a matter of fact, it is foundational to every aspect of Christianity. That's why god put it first in the Bible. Genesis 1:1 is the foundation of all foundations. If one really believes that, he can believe anything that is Scripture. But we do have to recognize the vital importance of understanding real creation and the fact that god is the real creator of all things. Host: What about doctrines such as Christ coming to earth, his offering of salvation, his death, burial and resurrection? Wouldn't those who would take, let's say, a Devil's advocate position say that's far more important than creation? Morris: Yes, and that would be kind of a natural thing to say, but as a matter of fact, the true doctrine of Christ and all of the other basic doctrines of Scripture are based on creation. For example, take the doctrine of Christ, or christology, as they call it. The lord, Jesus Christ, was created before he became a savior, and probably the greatest passage in all the Bible that deals with Christ, as the doctrine of Christ, is in the first chapter of Colossians where it says in verse 16: "by him were all things created, that are in heaven, are in earth, visible and invisible, thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by him and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." And Christ himself, when talking to the disciples after his resurrection, and they were confused, and he said you ought to remember -- that -- you ought to have known all these things. And then he says beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded [expanded?--rht] unto [onto?--rht] them and all the Scriptures with things concerning himself. So, therefore, the lord Jesus himself, in teaching about himself, began with Genesis. And then, as fas as the gospel is concerned, the gospel of salvation, this is based on creation too. Not many people realize this, I guess, but the very last reference to the gospel in the Bible, sort of a climatic reference, in Revelation 14:6-7, John says: "I saw another angel fly into the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel saying to them that dwell on the earth, fear god and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." So the last reference in the gospel refers to the gospel as being everlasting, so it never was any different. It's coming from an angel from heaven, and the apostle Paul said if an angel comes bringing any other gospel to you than what I preach, let him be accursed. So we know that this angel is not bringing some other gospel and that emphasizes creation as the foundation of the saving gospel of the lord, Jesus. The creation, then the atoning work on the cross and the resurrection and finally the coming again and the Kingdom of the lord -- all that's part of gospel and the person and work of the lord, Jesus Christ. And then, of course, the means by which we receive salvation -- through faith we are saved, scripture says. But everybody has faith in something or other -- even the atheists have faith, and so it's important in what we believe and in whom we believe. The greatest chapter on faith in the Bible is, Hebrews 11, the great faith chapter, but that chapter's introduced by the last few verses of Hebrews chapter 10 where we read that the just shall live by faith. And then it says we're not of them who draw back unto perdition but of them who believe that the saving of the soul, and that's the same word, those who believe or have faith in the saving of the soul. So the faith in Hebrews 11 is a living faith and a saving faith. And then it tells us that the very first object of faith, in Hebrews 11:3: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of god, so that things which are seen were not made of things which appear." So evolution is not permissible because god is not indebted to pre-existing materials. he made all things out of His own word, by his own power, not out of things which were already present, things which appear. That's the first object of faith. So true, saving, living faith is based on acknowledgment that god is the creator and ruler of all things. And so, yes, the gospel of salvation, the gospel of Christ, they're vitally important, but most people don't realize that these are founded upon the truth of creation. Host: We coined a term here at ICR called "creation evangelism." How important can creationism be in evangelism and missions overseas? Morris: Vitally important. Once again, your right, many people say, well, why preach creation? Why don't you just preach Christ? Win people to Christ. We don't care whether you win them to creation or not. Many people would say that, but that's a false dichotomy because, as a matter of fact, true evangelism is based first of all on creation and the one reason that we can be really certain about that is that the one book of the Bible which was written specifically for evangelism and to win people to Christ is the gospel of John. Like John says, that's his purpose. In the 20th chapter of John, he say that Jesus did many other signs which are not written in this book, "But these are written that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of god; and that believing you might have life through his name." So his purpose was to win people to Christ, and the way he did that, he began his book, his gospel, with these words: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. The same was in the beginning with god. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." And so on, and then it says: "he was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." But then it says: "as many as received him," and that would be as the word, as the creating word, and so on, "to them gave he the power to become the sons of god, even to them that believe on his name." I think it's also significant that when the lord told the disciples to go out and preach the gospel as their commission, the great commission, what they did was, of course, to go to everybody [every body?--rht] that they could, and it's very interesting that when they went to the Jews, and usually they would go first to the Jews in any new city to which they came, they would go to the synagogue and there they would expound from the Scriptures the fact that Jesus was the promised Messiah. They would talk about the evidence of the fulfillment of prophecy, and then they would give their testimony about regeneration and things like that. But they would start with the scriptures because the people to whom they were ministering already believed and knew the scriptures and they believed in creation, so they didn't have to go back and lay that foundation. But when Paul, for example, went to the Pagans at Lystra and talked to them, he didn't begin with the scriptures. he began rather by talking about god who made the world and all the things therein. he has left himself without a witness, he said, but he gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons and so on it says. In other words, he tried to reach them on the ground that they were familiar with and he started with them where they were and they could see the evidence of creation. They had misunderstood that and made it in terms of many gods and goddesses, really polytheism, or even evolutionism, is what they really believed. But he started with the fact that they had to believe in a god who created all things before he could preach [of] Christ to them. And even more -- that was in the 14th chapter of Acts -- and even more significant, in the 17th chapter, when he went to the Pagan philosophers at Athens, and these were all evolutionists, the Stoics and the Epicureans, they were evolutionary philosophers, just very much like our modern evolutionists. Once again, he didn't begin with the scriptures but, rather, he began by preaching the fact [sic] of creation. He said god who made the world and all things therein is lord of heaven and earth and dwells not in temples made with hands, gives to all men life and breath and all things. And so he preaches creation to them, and then, after he laid that foundation, then he preached Christ and the Resurrection. And then some believed. Some didn't believe, and that's always the way it is. If we preach the gospel in its fullness, some will believe and some won't believe, but at least they need to have the foundation before they can go on. And, of course, all the other aspects of Christianity -- if we had the time we could talk about creation being the foundation of the Christian life and of real church fellowship. And I think we've seen that in our ICR work, because our ICR seminars, our books, and all the rest of our activity, is vitally recognized in churches of every denomination and people, whether they are all the way from Catholics to extreme right-wing fundamentalists, everything in between, there are people in every group that realize the importance of creation and so we can approach [??????--rht] all types of people on this basic foundational truth. Even many orthodox Jews and Muslims use our creationist materials because that's a common ground that we have with them, too. And so it is the foundation of true Christian doctrine in all aspects. Host: Earlier in the broadcast, I asked you a question, whether or not creation was a doctrine more important than the Resurrection. Perhaps a followup question would be, how are creation and Resurrection related? Morris: Very closely related because, actually, these are the two greatest miracles in history, the creation of the whole world to begin with by special supernatural creative power from god and Christ, and then the defeat of death by the resurrection of Christ, and I think it's significant that the only religions which believe in real creation are the only ones which believe in a resurrection of the body. I mentioned Judaism and Islam in addition to Christianity. All the other religions are pantheistic evolutionary religions and they believe in the immortality of the soul maybe, in some cases, but not in the resurrection of the body. The real defeat of death requires the creator of life. And we need to recognize that the one who pronounced the curse of death on the world is the only one who can defeat that and restore life. And so, it's significant that the great resurrection chapter, for example in 1 Corinthians 15 has more references to creation in it than probably any other chapter in the New Testament. The only one who could defeat death is the one who created life. And so the resurrection can only be accomplished by the creator, and the resurrection is necessary for the fulfillment of the purpose of the creation to begin with. So the two go together like hand in glove. And, of course, there's the great truth of Christ being the second Adam and that being vindicated by his defeat of death. Yes, [?????--rht] the resurrection of Christ is the seal [??????-rht] that he is the creator and he is able to give life eternal out [??????-rht] to all who receive him. . . ==================================================================== Remeber, please do not attribute Dr. Morris's comments to me! Thank you. rich trott@gandalf.rutgers.edu

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