From: Patrick Leight
"Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live." Exodus 22:18
Witchcraft/Wicca/Neopaganism/Druidism -- What does the Bible say?
THE TRUTH OF THE HOLY BIBLE
The existence of Witches goes back into antiquity just as has also
God's warnings about them (Exodus 22:18). Witches have "familiar
spirits" and are associated with those who practice magick (derived
from Maji, the Persian Zorasters) such as wizards. The children of God
are warned not to associate with them as they will defile the righteous
(Leviticus 20:31). We are told directly that there will be no one who
practices divination, astrology, enchantments, or Witchcraft among the
people of the True God (Deuteronomy 18:10). Those who practice
Witchcraft are said, by God, to be rebellious and that they reject the
Word of the Lord and reject christ (1st Samuel 15:23).
The Word of God clearly indicates that there is no peace in the land
which practices Witchcraft (2nd Kings 8:22) and that those who practice
Witchcraft are allied with them who sacrifice their children to the
Gods, with astrologers, with enchanters, with those who deal with
familiar spirits, and with wizards (2nd Chronicles 33:6). The evil
done by these allied groups have and will provoke the Lord God to anger
(2nd Chronicles 33:6). In judgment on the land that practices
Witchcraft, the Lord will "cut off" Witches and the
soothsayers/psychics (Micah 5:12). The judgment against the land which
practices Witchcraft is assisted by the fact that Witchcraft is
traitorous to both the nation and the family of the practioner in which
it occurs (Nahum 3:4). A nation practicing Witchcraft will be
conquered by its enemies as a result of sedition/betrayal from within.
Those who practice Witchcraft use sorcery to "bewitch" persons, even
whole nations (Acts 8:9, 11); moreover, Witchcraft/sorcery is
especially interested in leading away Christians from Jesus christ
(Galatians 3:1). The character of those who practice Witchcraft is
outlined in the Word of God (Galatians 5:20).
According to the Word of God, Jezebel, the daughter of Ethbaal and king
of the Zidonians, was a Witch (1st Kings 16:31). The God of the
Witches is identified as Baal (1st Kings 16:31) or Bel. Beltane is a
holy day of Witches and is celebrated in May of each year. Those who
practice Witchcraft are clearly and unmistakably against Christians and
have persecuted the people of the True God in times past (1st Kings
18:4). Witches have killed prophets of the True God, Jehovah, (1st
Kings 18:13) just as the prophets of God have also killed Witches (1st
Kings 18:19; 19:1). This historic enmity between the people of Jehovah
and the people of Baal is typified by Jezebel (1st Kings 19:2).
In Jezebel, we see manipulation and sedition of kings whereby the aims
of Witchcraft are forwarded (1st Kings 21:5, 7, 11, 14, 15) in the
persecution of the people of God. Of Jezebel, speaks God, "The dogs
shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel" (1st Kings 21:23).
Witchcraft will stir up wickedness in the land and will cause men to
sell themselves to it (1st Kings 21:25). These men, so sold unto Her,
have killed the the [sic] prophets of God in times past (2nd Kings 9:7) even
as the prophets of God have warned them of the results of practicing
Witchcraft (2nd Kings 9:10, 22, 30, 36, 37), i.e., the judgment of the
nation by war. Still, though warned of the judgments on the nation to
come, those who practice Witchcraft and doing evil in the sight of the
Lord through sedition, refused and still refuse to see the Truth.
Jezebel was the the daughter of the King of Zidon, in what was later
called Phoenicia, and the area of what is now, today, known as Lebanon
and Syria. Even during the Bronze Age, the people of God and the
people of Baal were enemies and wars between them occurred in the area
(Joshua 11:8; 19:28; Judges 1:31). At other times the people of God
whored after Baal and Ishtar (Judges 10:6) only to then be oppressed by
the people of Baal and Ishtar and, once again, rescued from that
oppression by God (Judges 10:12). At still other times, the people of
God attacked these people (Judges 18:7, 28) even as the Zidonians used
seduction and betrayal to bring down the people of God.
King Solomon, considered to be the wisest man in the ancient world and
ruler of the Israelites in Jerusalem, was seduced by those who
practiced Witchcraft and worshiped Ishtar/Inanna (1st Kings 11:1, 5)
which resulted in the judgment of God against both him and the nation
of Israel (1st Kings 11:33). In yet another of these seductions, King
Ahab of Judah, married Jezebel (1st Kings 16:31), whereupon he began to
worship Baal and killed his own people. These seditions of the people
of God were finally, once again, removed (2nd Kings 23:13) but the war
goes on even unto this very day. Significantly, the Zidonians, the
peoples of Witchcraft, originated from Canaan, son of Ham, the son of
Noah (1st Chronicles 1:13) whom Noah cursed.
In an interesting test of commitment of the Witches to their Gods,
using a grant from King Cyrus of Persia, the Israelites paid the
Zidonians and the surrounding peoples who worshiped in groves of trees
to cut them down and deliver them to Jerusalem. This they did and
these trees, cedars, were used in construction of the great temple of
Solomon (1st Chronicles 22:4; Ezra 3:7). The seditious nature of those
who worship Baal and Ishtar, i.e., Witchcraft practitioners, is
revealed in history as they willingly cut down their own sacred groves
and sold them to their mortal enemy when the price was right. Anyone
care to have a Witch in our government?? There are now "chaplins" in
the U.S. military for Witches.
Behold -- the dreamer awaketh.
From: Patrick Leight
To: Ravenna Michelle Msg #221, 26-Nov-89 12:14pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
Were you aware of what the Bible has to say about witchcraft?
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From: Patrick Leight
To: Ravenna Michelle Msg #222, 26-Nov-89 12:30pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
I do not judge you as we see One will:
"And before himshall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one
from another, as a shepherd divideth HIS sheep from the goats:" Matthew 25:32
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hat committed all judgment unto the Son:"
John 5:22
"And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that is is he
which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead." Acts 10:42
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according
to my gospel." Romans 2:16
"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy
brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." 1
Corinthians 4:5
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall
judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom." 2 Timothy 4:1
You may choose to be judged by your works if you like, however:
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
their works."
"Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment
upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly
deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which
ungodly sinners have spoken against him." Jude 14-15
However, I would think you would prefer to be judged as one saved by the grace
of God through Jesus Christ as:
"There is now, therfore, no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus."
Think about it. Who offers freedom?
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From: Patrick Leight
To: Paul Hume Msg #223, 26-Nov-89 12:43pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
Were you aware of what the Bible had to say about magickers?
See Ge. 44.15; Nu.22.7; de.18.14; 1S.6.2; Je.27.9; Eze.13.23; 21.21; Zec.10.2;
Ac.16.16; Ge.41.24; Ex.7.11; 8.19; 9.11; Da.2.2; 4.7; De.18.11; 1S.28.11;
Is.8:19; Is.2.6;Da.2.27; 5.7; Mi.5.12; De.18.10; 2K.17.17; 21.6; Is.47.9;
Mal.3.5; Ac.8.11; 13.6; Re.18.23; 21.8
IF you have problems decoding citations let me know.
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From: Mirage
To: Ravenna Michelle Msg #224, 26-Nov-89 10:30am
Subject: Re: Wicca
-> Whatever is wrong with having Wiccan chaplins in the army?
-> supports FREEDOM of religion>
-> Peace friend....we need not get rabid here.
->
-> Namastai........................................Ravenna
I have YET to see or hear of a Wiccan chaplin in the service. Wicca is not
even one of the 'approved' religions that they will put down in your records.
The closest that you can get is 'other religion'. Let me know where these
folks are OK? ....... BB Mirage
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From: Mirage
To: Patrick Leight Msg #225, 26-Nov-89 05:43pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
->Were you aware of what the Bible has to say about
->witchcraft?
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Patrick, anyone who has been reading your posts know very well what it says by
this time.....Mirage
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From: Steven Craig
To: Patrick Leight Msg #240, 26-Nov-89 04:31am
Subject: Re: Wicca
First off, I would be quite justified at ignoring your message completely,
as what is true in the holy book of your religion extends in no way to those
who believe otherwise (aside from the actions of those who take it upon
themselves to enforce the "one true way"). Sure your Bible tells you all
these things, but suppose my holy book tells me that people named Patrick are
the devil incarnate and must be chopped up into little bits and fed to hungry
sloths? From a neutral point of view, neither side is any more right than the
others.
But be that as it may, I feel that many of the references made in the bible
against "witches" have little or no relevance today. For one thing, in the
act of translation, there were encountered in the texts several Hebrew words
which appeared nowhere else in the text. During the times of James I, the
witchcraft trials were much in vogue, and thus the translators inserted the
word "witch" when the were at loss for another.
A great many of the anti-witchcraft references come from Deuteronomy, the
same book of the Bible which commands the stoning of stubborn children (Deut.
21:18-21), acceptance of polygamy (Deut. 21:15), keeping the week-long harvest
feast (Deut. 16:13). The book also reminds us that those castrated shall be
damned to hell (Deut. 23:1).
From: Patrick
To: Patrick Leight Msg #249, 27-Nov-89 10:51pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
In your message, you quoted a pasage from Exodus, chapter 22, verse 18:
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
Now why did you put that in your message? Do you propose that witches be
killed? This is not the BURNING TIMES. It will not be so easy to kill us as
it was the last time.
NEVER AGAIN THE BURNING!!
PAT W.
From: Patrick Leight
To: Old Man Msg #252, 28-Nov-89 12:38am
Subject: Re: Wicca
I won't bother you. My mission is to tell you the Truth.
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From: Patrick Leight
To: Inanna Seastar Msg #253, 28-Nov-89 12:40am
Subject: Re: Wicca
And the Archangel Michael said, "May the Lord rebuke thee."
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From: Patrick Leight
To: Patrick Msg #254, 28-Nov-89 12:44am
Subject: Re: Wicca
I do not propose hurting anyone. I am posting the information so that you
will know what the God of the Universe has to say about withcraft. Jesus
loves you as a person; he despises the sin of witchcraft. I am not anyone to
do other than what my Master does. The data is to show you that you are, by
the Law of God, in danger of condemnation. In Jesus Christ is freedom from
sin and death.
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From: Paul Hume
To: Patrick Leight Msg #255, 27-Nov-89 09:04am
Subject: Re: Wicca
Leight -
Apo pantos kaikodaimonos.
You don't listen, do you kid.
I can "decipher" biblical references quite well. I am well aware that the
bloodstained prophets of the murderous Jehovah of the Old testament made
numerous claims as to the evil of their opponents, and after they had
successfully killed off their opposition, "proved" it by writing the history
books to their own advantage.
What arrogant Bible-thumpers like you never seem to grasp in preaching you
shop-worn message of "obedience through fear" to arrogant magick-hackers like
me is:
IT IS A MATTER OF COMPLETE INDIFFERENCE WHAT YOUR RELIGION SAYS ABOUT MY
RELIGION.
This will be my last response to your messages. Go peddle your papers
somewhere else.
Paul Hume
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From: Brad Hicks
To: Patrick Leight Msg #275, 28-Nov-89 10:56am
Subject: Re: Wicca
I will only say this once: Were YOU aware that there are rules on this
conference, and that one of them is a firmly-enforced rule against attacking
another person's religion with intent to make converts?
If you persist in belittling the faiths of others here, and in posting
messages which wander nowhere near the topic of the conference, you will be
evicted.
From: James Crowley
To: Patrick Leight Msg #281, 27-Nov-89 02:21am
Subject: You "SIR" are a HACKER!
Patrick Leight you violated California Penal Code 502(8)d and
Several Federal Laws if your call really came from outside the
State of California as you stated in your two bogus attempts to
log on to Cassandra-News on 25-Nov-89 18:30:15 and 26-Nov-89
22:07:57. All of your actions and attempted action are preserved
in our security logs.
There Is no phone Listing for you in Dav. IA. and you are not
known to the people at the phone number you listed In your application.
These actions just further demonstrate your lack of understanding
of the meaning of Christianity. It was not really necessary to give
us a further demonstration of your ignorance after your recent
posts to Magick Mail.
James T. Crowley
Sysop
Cassandra-News
PS. Sysops may obtain copy's of these log by use of the Fido Magic word
HACKER.
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From: Michelle Hass
To: Patrick Leight Msg #285, 27-Nov-89 12:12pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
Oh come now, Pat...another quixotic attempt to "convert" those who don't want
to be converted.
Take your bigoted, anti-Pagan rantings and shove them. Get away from where you
don't belong.
MK-H
From: Michelle Hass
To: Patrick Leight Msg #286, 27-Nov-89 12:14pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
Have you ever considered that the deities you mention, Baal and Ishtar, were
once the deities El and Asherah of the pre-Abrahamian Hebrews? Yes, the
Hebrews were once worshippers of both a Goddess and a God. The remainder of
which are the most common names that the Judeo-Christian Deity is referred to
in the Torah: Adonai and Elohim, both PLURALS in Hebrew.
Just some food for thought....
MK-H
From: Patrick Leight
To: Steven Craig Msg #303, 28-Nov-89 01:43pm
Subject: Re: Wicca
"AND I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and
hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelations 20:12-15
The way to get your name in the book is to accept Jesus Christ as your
personal saviour. This IS the only way to be saved from the lake of fire.
Think about it.
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From: Old Man
To: Patrick Leight Msg #306, 30-Nov-89 08:22am
Subject: Truth
OK, Patrick, whose truth?
The truth of a religion that has systematically been responsible
for the deaths of vast numbers of humanity ? The truth as laid out by whom?
The Bible is certainly no source for truth, unless you accept that in God's
eyes murder, incest, and cruelty are acceptable. Unless you believe that God
is vengeful.
The truth, Patrick, is that you have found a narrow-minded way to
believe where all others are wrong, only you and the enlightened believers of
Christ are right, and we're all going to suffer because we didn't lock step
with you in your merry little path to oblivion and the lack of coherent
thought patterns.
The pity is that too many people want to believe that only they are
right, that it's their way or no way at all. That's what galls me, and always
will. If you want to talk about religions and give all equal chances to be
valid, fine, otherwise you're just preaching, and in doing so are boring.
Old Man
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From: Old Man
To: Patrick Leight Msg #307, 30-Nov-89 08:38am
Subject: Re: Wicca
That's it, Patrick, I don't know if anyone else is complaining about you, but
Big Brother is going to hear from me. Finally, I think it's interesting that
you felt the need to lie in order to try to log onto other boards, you're
pathetic! Think of it this way, you violate your own commandments, OK?
old Man