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[12:39]  Aco: and how similar are the details?
[12:39]  deanr similar enough
[12:40]  example?
[12:40]  peace!
[12:40]  Justfacts: now you have a forum to 
explain your understanding of the texts you mentioned
[12:40]  deanr u'll see in a second
[12:40]  okay
[12:40]  The Enuma Elish are 7 tablets 
[12:40]  Acolyte: Did you eventually tire of 
Chuck Smith's failed predictions of Christ's return?
[12:40]  that have the birth of our curent 
solar system
[12:40]  Alcuin one of many things
[12:40]  and pro-creation of man
[12:41]  BRB-me runs to his car
[12:41]  these 7 tablets corrospond to the 
7 days of creatioon spoken of in the bible
[12:41]  same events take place
[12:42]  parallel to the days in the bible
[12:42]  Moses is said to write Genesis
[12:42]  but he was not there during this 
time
[12:42]  Moses grew up in Egypt and studied 
in theor schools
[12:43]  Egypt gets in culture from teh Ancient 
Sumerians
[12:43]  ok back
[12:43]  who kept rrecords of these events
[12:43]  told to themm by beings they reffereed 
to as the Anunaqi
[12:43]  from where you get your Elohim
[12:43]  in Hebrew
[12:44]  same beings
[12:44]  hey acolyte, my one yr old was crying....could 
not see you
[12:44]  JF how do you know the Egyptians kept 
recoreds of the Enu?
[12:44]  Ra
[12:44]  also known as Anu
[12:44]  in cunnieform
[12:44]  can we talk some other time today 
or tomorrow?  I have a page called "the sawhorse" on 
the web
[12:45]  Anunaqi = those who Anu sent to Qi 
in groups of 50's
[12:45]  rev ok or email me
[12:45]  Qi - is the ancient name of Earth
[12:45]  after the accident
[12:45]  JF please explain how you know that 
the Egyptians kept recoreds of the Enu
[12:45]  Acolye - they have the same stories
[12:45]  differnt tongue
[12:45]  thus different names
[12:46]  Ishtar = Isis
[12:46]  Osirus = Enlil
[12:46]  Horus = Tammuz
[12:46]  etc
[12:46]  JF they have similar sotires
[12:46]  JF, what does theEnuma speak of? Whcih 
gods?
[12:46]  JF: what is your reference for all this? 
Is there a journal I can find and read?
[12:46]  in the cunieform Tammuz is also called 
Adonis
[12:47]  JF what deities does it mention?
[12:47]  JustFacts: From the fact that Moses 
studied in Egypt, it does not follow that his version 
of the Creation and the Patriarchal history derive 
from that source.  There was doubtless substantial 
oral and written history among the Jew

s from which he was able to draw information.
[12:47]  Adonis is the same as in bible Adonai
[12:47]  meaning master
[12:47]  Tammuz was the master assigned to 
mortal Man
[12:47]  called Enoshites
[12:47]  fine, please answer my question-what 
deities are mentioned in the Euma?
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[12:47]  in the bible
[12:47]  Egyptian and Sumerian cultures, though 
similar, are complexly related.
[12:47]  fine, please answer my question-what 
deities are mentioned in the Euma?
[12:47]  fine, please answer my question-what 
deities are mentioned in the Euma?
[12:47]  fine, please answer my question-what 
deities are mentioned in the Euma?
[12:47]  ok
[12:47]  anu
[12:48]  Id
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[12:48]  Enqi
[12:48]  acolyte: I will attempt to email 
you and so bid you goodbye
[12:48]  Enlil
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[12:48]  Nergal
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[12:48]  Arishkigal
[12:48]  Ishtar
[12:48]  Tammuz
[12:48]  Kalkael
[12:48]  who else?
[12:48]  Kalkal
[12:48]  who else?
[12:48]  Sumerian culture [Abraham's culture...] 
may very well *reflect* the patriarchal account of 
Creation and early history.
[12:48]  Murdoq
[12:48]  ok
[12:48]  Damkina
[12:48]  Would that be...Rupert Murdoq?
[12:48]  Enkidu
[12:48]  justfacts what does the Enuma speak 
of about MArduk?
[12:49]  Murdoq - was a being who commanded 
the planet/ship called Nibiru
[12:49]  JF what relationship does the Enuma 
describe in the creation acount with respect to Marduk?
[12:49]  ok what else?
[12:49]  Murdoq - or Nibiru - came in collision 
with Tiamat (earth)
[12:50]  not Nibiru itself
[12:50] Action: Alcuin observes that mere linguistic 
similarity of names does not *at all* demonstrate actual 
etymological derivation or status as cognates. Consider 
"protein" and "proton"

 and "Proteus"...
[12:50]  JF who else did Mardul clas with?
[12:50]  but 4 other satallies
[12:50]  Maldek
[12:50]  or Vulcan
[12:50]  JK what other dieties does Marduk clash 
with?
[12:50]  im answering you
[12:50] Action: Achimoth must admit this IS a fascinating 
discussion
[12:50]  "Adonis is the same as in bible Adonai" 
--- uh, right....
[12:50]  JF what are the 2 primodail sources 
in the Enuma? 
[12:50]  yes Alcuin
[12:51]  Murdoq - also clashes with Kingu
[12:51]  alcuin shot yourself in the foot budy
[12:51]  JF who else?
[12:51]  now known as the Moon
[12:51]  JF what are the 2 primodail sources 
in the Enuma? 
[12:51]  Acolyte: really?  why doesn't it hurt?
[12:51]  primodial?
[12:51]  sources
[12:51]  yes
[12:52]  what are the two primordial sources 
in the Enuma?
[12:52]  JF who are they?
[12:52]  Enuma Elish is a story on the birth 
of our solar system
[12:52]  jd do you know?
[12:52]  I know what it is
[12:52]  Tiamat is ancient earth
[12:52]  ok who else?
[12:52]  Tiamat and who?
[12:53]  then you have Anshar
[12:53]  JF: solar system? To what extent?
[12:53]  Kishar
[12:53]  Lahmu
[12:53]  Lahamu
[12:53]  No Apsu was
[12:53]  Anu
[12:53]  Apsu
[12:53]  correct Tiamat and Apsu are the two 
initial dieties
[12:53]  Apsu - is the sun
[12:53]  right
[12:53]  no
[12:53]  they are planets
[12:53]  they are deities
[12:53]  named after beings
[12:53]  as well
[12:54]  now
[12:54]  the question is, what was apsu and 
Tiamats status originally?
[12:54]  Apsu - is a name of the Sun in the 
19th galaxy
[12:54]  called Illyuwn
[12:54]  JF perhaps, but that is irrelevant 
presetnly
[12:54]  I am more conerned with the theology 
than the astronomy here
[12:54]  Apsu & Tiamat were one at one time
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[12:55]  then what?
[12:55]  Excuse me, could you tell me the name 
of the book you are talking about please?
[12:55]  !JustFacts laugh.wav
[12:55]  Who did they represent? The Oceans 
perhaps?
[12:55]  the Enuma Elish is not to be mistaken 
as some theological myth
[12:55]  JF oh so it is not a myth?
[12:55]  Does this book have a Website?
[12:55]  Tiamat has a water
[12:55]  connotation
[12:55]  no 
[12:56]  its not a myth
[12:56]  Chrisse it is an acient babalonian 
text
[12:56]  JF what is it, if not a myth?
[12:56]  right knowledge
[12:56]  about what?
[12:56]  told to you as a myth
[12:56]  JF define myth
[12:56]  becuase its not overstood
[12:56]  is it on the net?
[12:56]  myth - tales not proven
[12:56]  chrissie I think but I am not sure
[12:57]  JF-if this tale proven or no?
[12:57]  neother false or true
[12:57]  i will look it up never mind. ;-)
[12:57]  JF-if this tale proven or no?
[12:57]  yes these are facts
[12:57]  the Sumerians have star maps
[12:57]  So if it is proven then it is not a 
myth is it?
[12:57]  to back up the info
[12:57]  no its not a myth
[12:57]  JF and the Gensis account is allagedly 
based on this truth?
[12:57]  but its "told" as a myth
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[12:58]  ok fine
[12:58]  yes
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[12:58]  genesis is based on it
[12:58]  ok so the Genesis acount is based on 
facts then?
[12:58]  yes or no?
[12:58]  yes Gensis is a summarry version
[12:58]  of teh detailed account
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[12:58]  JF so what is the problem? Genesis 
is factual then
[12:58]  not as its told
[12:58]  tofay
[12:58]  today
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[12:59]  JF depends onwho you read
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[12:59]  the Elohm are physical beings
[12:59]  JF how about reading the Fathers
[12:59]  JF he is?
[12:59]  JF where is Elohim then?
[12:59]  some are here
[12:59]  as their children
[12:59]  Jf where is elohim?
[12:59]  called sons of "god"
[12:59]  hey, Acolyte...could you dcc me your 
email address?
[12:59]  JF what and WHERE is elohim?
[13:00]  Elohim is hebrew is a plural word 
meaning These Beings
[13:00]  its a title
[13:00]  used for teh Anunaqi
[13:00]  JF perhaps, but WHAT and WHERE is Elohim
[13:00]  JF perhaps, but WHAT and WHERE is Elohim?
[13:00]  Elohim as a what are a group of beings
[13:00]  Where - all over
[13:00]  JF and wherea re these beings?
[13:00]  thanks
[13:00]  JF where precisely is there location?
[13:00]  they are from the 8th planet in te 
19ht galaxy
[13:00]  their even
[13:01]  called illyuwn
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[13:01]  oh IC and how do you know they are 
there?
[13:01]  with 3 suns
[13:01]  oh IC and how do you know they are 
there?
[13:01] Action: Deanr chokes on his coffee
[13:01]  do you talk to them somehow?
[13:01]  Evidence
[13:01]  oh, ic, what evidence would that be?
[13:01]  three suns???? Now we're talking myth.
[13:01]  deanr - no
[13:02] Action: Acolyte notes that most systems are 
binary
[13:02]  3 suns in another galaxy
[13:02]  deanr: you need a towel or something.. 
;)
[13:02]  the Dogaon
[13:02]  Jf what evidence do u have that there 
is life on other planets?
[13:02]  Dogons have star maps also from where 
they came
[13:02]  Jf what evidence do u have that there 
is life on other planets?
[13:02]  Acolyte - physical
[13:02]  evedence
[13:02]  Jf so you have a bodyof oneof them?
[13:02]  records
[13:03]  pictures
[13:03]  jf oh ic, oh really? WHERE?
[13:03]  etc.
[13:03]  in my possesion
[13:03]  JF where are these pictures?
[13:03]  am i in the UFO channel by mistake. 
lol
[13:03]  oh in your possension. IC
[13:03]  where did you get these pictures?
[13:03]  there are many books on this subject
[13:03]  chrissie: ;)
[13:03]  do some research
[13:03]  JF I am sure there are. Where did you 
get the pictures?
[13:03]  I have but that does not answer my 
question
[13:04]  JF where did you get these pictures?
[13:04]  what i s your quesstion?
[13:04]  JF where did you get these pictures?
[13:04]  JF where did you get these pictures?
[13:04]  JF where did you get these pictures?
[13:04]  JF where did you get these pictures?
[13:04]  from the person who took them
[13:04]  and who is this person?
[13:04]  haha, this is most entertaining.
[13:04]  chrisse :)
[13:04]  JF: 1) there is no evidence of any solar 
systems around any binary stars. 2) there is no evidence 
of any star systems that have three stars within the 
same system.. and if there was, the gravitational forces 
would prevent the creat

ion of protoplanets.
[13:04]  not to mention a little informative...
[13:04]  chrissie: :)
[13:05]  Dr. Malachi Z. York
[13:05]  Hi, Boozer
[13:05]  JF and what field is he in?
[13:05]  hello.
[13:05]  "Pataphysics?" ;)
[13:05]  deanr - i beg to differ
[13:05]  JF what did he get his Ph.D. in?
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quit yet... I haven't even gotten there yet!!!
[13:05] Action: Deanr apologizes for the diversion 
into astronomy. :) 
[13:05]  Acolyte - he wrote over 360 books
[13:05]  Deanr: Sorry, but there's plenty of 
evidence of binary stellar systems.
[13:05]  on this subject
[13:05]  true Achimoth, can hardly wait to 
read the book. ;-)
[13:05]  i can send you some info
[13:05]  JF sure but what is his Ph.D in?
[13:06]  Alcuin: none with planets.
[13:06]  Deanr: i think the closest thing to 
a trinary star system is the Centauri system
[13:06]  languages sciences
[13:06]  cuture
[13:06]  theology
[13:06]  IC, not astronomy?
[13:06]  brb
[13:08]  JF ok what dose NASA think of Mr. York?
[13:08]  so im telling you i can send info
[13:08]  for you to read
[13:08]  to save your question
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[13:08]  sure, I want more answers before I 
get soething toread
[13:09]  ask NASA
[13:09]  JF what does NASA think of his work, 
and SETI as well?
[13:09]  im not at NASA
[13:09]  JF if there is life on other planets, 
why did SEIT close down?
[13:10]  SETI even
[13:10]  Hmmmm, no entries for Malachi York in 
the state of FL libraries either.  Is that the right 
spelling?
[13:10]  ask the people in charge of SETI
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[13:10]  i found something!
[13:10]  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01hrf/nubian.html
[13:10]  they tell you want they want you 
to know
[13:10]  JF I have, No extraterrestrial life
[13:10]  JF I see the experts lie then?
[13:10]  what are angels?
[13:10]  experts lie?
[13:10]  Watergate?
[13:10]  JF are you saying that the experts 
at SETI and NASA lie?
[13:10]  Roswell?
[13:10]  what of those
[13:11]  perhaps, perhaps not
[13:11]  no
[13:11]  Im saying ask them
[13:11]  guilt by association
[13:11]  I have
[13:11]  i dont work with them
[13:11]  but are you saying there is a coverup, 
that they LIE?
[13:11]  obviously
[13:11]  the title of the page is: "Nubians 
& The Gods: Elohim Anunnaqi"
[13:11]  acolyte, I sent some mail...did you 
get it..my mail receipts say "user unknown"
[13:11]  i back now.
[13:11]  thanks Achimoth
[13:12]  rev ok
[13:12]  Achimoth interesting...
[13:12]  Achimoth: what did you search with?
[13:12]  what are angels acolyte?
[13:12]  what words?
[13:12]  JF depends on who you ask
[13:12]  you
[13:12]  JF non-material beings
[13:12]  im asking you
[13:12]  JF but I want to know more
[13:13]  where is that from?
[13:13]  My name is FARD. I am a kosmosan who's 
pen name is Dr.R. I am of a family of doctors whose 
purpose is to cure the sickness of ignorance on Tiamat 
(earth) with Right knowdlege-wisdom and overstanding. 
I created this page to help 

give guidance to those who are onhe gates of ILLYUWN 
(heaven). You will see the ANUNNAKI :
[13:13]  oops
[13:13] Action: Alcuin has now visited the New Age 
site specified by Achimoth.
[13:13]  .. heh trying to copy part of the 
intro paragraph
[13:13]  JF are you suggesting that NASA and 
SETI have given false information to the public?
[13:13]  i searched for Malachi Yorl
[13:13] Action: Alcuin has discovered many interesting 
things. Here's a sample: "One purpose of the scrolls 
written by our
[13:13]  teacher and guide Dr. Malachi Z. York, 
is to help organize and put the minds of Nubians in 
unity and order
[13:13]  "
[13:13]  York even
[13:13]  Acolyte - i deal with facts - and 
i dont know what they have told tha public - so i cant 
answer
[13:14]  alcuin u serious?
[13:14]  hehehe.. sounds like we found the source 
of all this.
[13:14]  Acolyte: Honest Abe.
[13:14]  JF so you don't know what the experts 
say?
[13:14]  There is going to be a special meeting 
at 10 tonight on the UFO channel, i think you all should 
go to it. ;-)
[13:14]  its there
[13:14]  JustFacts: Ever been to Sausalito?
[13:14]  chrissie no thanks
[13:14]  JF so you don't know what the experts 
say?
[13:14]  you call them experts
[13:14]   The information presented here was 
taken from several books written by the master teacher 
and guide Dr. Malachi Zodoq York who is an extraterrestrial 
incarnate from the 8th planet RIZQ In the 19th Galaxy.
[13:14]  yet they theorize
[13:14]  and opinionize
[13:14]  thats the last sentance of the intro
[13:15]  chrissie: we'll be there, insofar as 
we will not....
[13:15]  ok fine, NASA and SETI are experts, 
ok
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[13:15]  JF I grow tired of this clap trap nonsense
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[13:15]  JF this is absurd
[13:15]  acolyte what is?
[13:15]  JF NO TEXTUAL CRITIC in his right mind 
agres with this. NOT ONE
[13:16]  JF have you been reading Von Donakin?
[13:16]  i love the extraterriestial incarnate 
part.. hehehe
[13:16]  acolyte agrees with what?
[13:16]  Chariots of the Gods?
[13:16]  i knew you would, me too. lol
[13:16]  JF your theory
[13:16]  its not a theory - 
[13:16]  Acolyte check out the web page, its... 
intersting.. heh
[13:16] Action: Alcuin observes that someone who rejects 
Christ but accepts "overstanding" is not likely to be 
susceptible to rational persuasion.
[13:16]  JF no textual critic agrees with your 
theory
[13:16]  achimoth no thanks
[13:16]  i have no theory
[13:16]  acolyte
[13:16]  jf please leave
[13:17]  i answred your questions now answer 
mind
[13:17]  JF I grow tired of this nonsense
[13:17]  what nonsense?
[13:17]  you asked I answered
[13:17]  Jf if you wisht o /msg someone else 
about it fine,but cease this thread
[13:17]  I am done asking
[13:17]  JustFacts: your sermon has been interesting. 
 May we tell you about Christ?
[13:17]  alcuin no more far out than his story, 
thats for sure
[13:17]  Acolte - so i cant question you?
[13:17]  Jf no you can question me
[13:18]  what are angels?
[13:18]  who is God
[13:18]  where is God
[13:18]  non-material beings
[13:18]  where is heaven?
[13:18]  God has not spatial location
[13:18]  not=no
[13:18]  How did we get here?
[13:18]  Creatin
[13:18]  creation ex nihilo
[13:18]  JustFacts: Questioning involves the 
measured use of rationality.  The cosmology that you 
have been describing betrays an immoderate gullibility. 
 For this reason, your questioning does not seem credible.
[13:18]  Theistic Evolution IMO
[13:18]  BRB
[13:19]  alcuin
[13:19]  can you answer them
[13:19]  angels were not portrayed with wings 
till later centuries, before that they werealways men, 
no girl angels.
[13:19]  what are angels?
[13:19]  non-material beings
[13:19]  that is a start
[13:19]  JustFacts: Angels are abstract beings.
[13:19]  acolyte where is that from?
[13:19]  bible?
[13:19]  Summa Theologia
[13:19]  Summa Theologica
[13:20]  actually, this stuff sounds like a 
new age balck superiority thing
[13:20]  at least this home pasge does
[13:20]  Achimoth: ??  because of "nubian" ?
[13:20]  The Ancients further maintained that 
eternal life for a person or a race is continuous pro-creation 
(perpetual reproduction) of that person's family or 
kind. For example, no Nubian(Ethiopian-Kuwshites, Woolly-Haired 
person) is e

ver dead (in the ethnical sense) as long as two breeding 
Nubians (male and female) are still alive and together, 
because all Nubians are of the same origin or ancestral 
tree. Hence, as long as two breeding Nubians live
[13:21]  Achimoth how do animals become extinct?
[13:21]  Right Knowledge organizes and unifies 
the minds of Nubians, individually and collectively. 
If Knowledge is not to be confusing and thereby effective, 
then it must be in sequence. Knowledge recieved must 
be in an organized sequen

ce in order to put the mind in order and unity. One 
purpose of the scrolls written by our teacher and guide 
Dr. Malachi Z. York, is to help organize and put the 
minds of Nubians in unity and order enough to qualify 
for
[13:22]  JustFacts: We are willing to engage 
your questions and your arguments, if indeed you have 
any.  It seems out of place, however, to merely *propound* 
a viewpoint (especially an admittedly *non-rational* 
one) in the context of a cha

nnel devoted to rational inquiry.
[13:22]  Clairvoyance (clear vision) will return 
and you will see again. Right Knowledge leads to right 
thinking, and right thinking leads to right action. 

[13:22]  alcuim - i asked 4 quesstions
[13:22]  Achimoth: anyone who's *really* interested 
will go to the page.  Your posting of the URL was sufficient, 
IMO.
[13:22]  have any answers
[13:22]  alcuin sorry.. just showing some interesting 
concepts.. sorry
[13:22]  you said angels are abstract bings
[13:22]  thank you Achimoth.;-)
[13:23]  where is that from?
[13:23]  Yes, thanks Achimoth.  I'm not sniping. 
 Just recommending.
[13:23]  wait, i got it in my book, aangels 
are originally pagan creatures, becuase believe in 
them is older than belife in the God of the bible.
[13:23]  Achimoth: The passages you selected 
*are* interesting, btw.
[13:23] Action: Acolyte wonders why the word "certifiable" 
comes to mind
[13:23]  do you wanat me to go on?
[13:23]  hhmmmm?????????????????????
[13:23]  chriss angellos means messanger
[13:24] Action: Acolyte wonders why the phrase non-verifiability 
comes to mind.
[13:24]  hhhmmmm????
[13:24]  right, it says in my book Assyro-Babylonians 
belived in angels, messangers and servanat sof gods.
[13:24]  why are they non-material?
[13:25]  Although belief in such beings as angels 
can be found in ancient cultures prior to the writing 
of the Torah, there is no evidence that those "pagan 
equivalents" do not derive from the Hebrew con

cept.
[13:25] Action: Acolyte wonders why the phrase conspiracy 
theory........
[13:25]  no they uses human bodies it says 
in my book.
[13:25]  JustFacts: They are non-material because 
they are not extended in space.
[13:25]  Acolyte: lol
[13:25]  JF: run your astronomical claims by any 
credible astronomer or astrophysicists.. and they will 
explain to you why planets in a trinary star system 
would be impossible.
[13:25]  Angels are physical in the bible
[13:25]  Jf they are? WHERE?
[13:25]  gen 18
[13:25]  JF read the Apocrapha
[13:25]  gen 6
[13:25]  gen 19
[13:26]  where in gen 6?
[13:26]  gen 32
[13:26]  alcuin: you ought to check out the 
page about annunnaki, it gets REALLY wild.. ;)
[13:26]  verse 1-4
[13:26]  the Nepilim? they were men
[13:26]  no they were physical before the bible 
was written, babylonia syria time pre bible when there 
was no one God.
[13:26]  JF the Nephilim were tall men
[13:26]  JustFacts: On the contrary, Angels in 
the Bible are able to manifest a material aspect to 
their being, under narrowly defined circumstances. 
 They are normally not physical.
[13:26]  where are they from?
[13:26]  earth?
[13:26]  JF the phrase "son of God" does not mean 
they were angels since Adam is called a son of God 
in Christ's geneaologies in the NT
[13:26]  JF adam and Eve
[13:27]  JF sure why not
[13:27]  Acolyte - Nephilim  froo the root 
Nafal means to fall
[13:27]  not giants
[13:27]  JustFacts: Angels are part of the created 
universe.  "From" is a metaphor that presupposes spatial 
extension, and so does not apply to angels.
[13:27]  Except it is weird because one angel 
had a machine with wheels.
[13:27]  nephilim - plural
[13:27]  means those who fell
[13:27]  just so? so is daughters
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[13:28]  or landed
[13:28]  JF how did the fall?
[13:28]  JF is falling and Sin connected at 
all?
[13:28]  ghiborim
[13:28]  chrissie: was it a Harley?
[13:28]  is majestic ones
[13:28]  Alcuin: :)
[13:28]  ezek 10:14 has the angel with wheels
[13:28]  as in Jabaarians
[13:28]  brb
[13:28]  Acolyte - no
[13:28]  ciao, Bon
[13:28]  not in hebrew
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[13:29]  JF you are a fruit ok
[13:29]  totally differnt
[13:29]  JF does sin have anything to do with 
falling?
[13:29]  why cause I dont agree with you?
[13:29]  not in hebrew
[13:29]  Acolyte - no
[13:29] Topic changed by ApoloBot!bibleman@xlab1.fiu.edu: 
Rational Theism--Babylon is falling, to rise no more...
[13:30]  jf look its like a Harley Davidson, 
If you have to ASK YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:30]  Acolyte: Ad hominem is [a] uncharitable, 
and [b] indicative of inadequate reflection on one's 
own status....
[13:30]  The chief scientist Enqi and the chief 
medical officer Ninti of the Anunnaki used genetic 
manipulation and In-vitro fertilization, which is fertilization 
of a biological entity or process developed or maintained 
in a controlled,

 non-living environment, as a laboratory vessel; or 
in glass tubes as depicted on the seal of an ancient 
Sumerian cylinder. This was done in a laboratory called 
SHIMTI meaning "House where the wind of life is breathed 

[13:30]  this is funny.. :)
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[13:31]  they even have pictures.. heh
[13:31]  The wind of life petries in the Shimti 
house.  Sounds credibe, right Deanr?
[13:31]  i don't know whether to stay here 
and read this or go on the webb, you lucky youcan do 
both Achimoth. ;-)
[13:31]  l
[13:32]  chrissie what OS you using?
[13:32] JustFacts!jf@as7s33.erols.com kicked by ApoloBot!bibleman@xlab1.fiu.edu: 
!!!ALERT!!! YOU HAVE EXCEEDED THE CHANNEL'S FRUITLOOP 
AND QUACAKDOX CAPACITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:32]  chrissie: you can check out the web 
anytime.. ;)
[13:32]  i AM SORRY HE NEEDED IT
[13:32]  oh, not fair bring him back. lol
[13:32]  hahahahahaha
[13:32]  that guy is LOONEY
[13:32]  oh man thats funny
[13:32]  BONKERS
[13:32]  GONE
[13:32]  how about a total flake
[13:32]  that was wickedly entertaining. ha 
ha
[13:33]  Acolyte: or perhaps just like us when 
we lack the mind of Christ...
[13:33]  what's amazing is he believes all this 
stuff!
[13:33] Nick change: Boozer -> Pot
[13:33]  Hey Kettle, you're black.
[13:33]  at least Von Danniken(?) made a LITTLE 
sense
[13:33] Nick change: Pot -> Boozer
[13:33]  but, I've seen stranger.. so I'm not 
all that amazed.
[13:33]  No more amazing than that Bertrand Russell 
believed as he did, except that BR engaged with greater 
rigor.
[13:34]  i noticed something, they insist Tiamat 
is the earth, yet the have a picture of Tiamat.. hmmmmm
[13:34]  achimoth tiamat 7 headed dragon
[13:34]  That was clever, Boozer....    
[13:34]  achimoth and here you were all worried
[13:34]  Oh watch out,  you getting hooked 
into it. ;-))))
[13:34]  sheesh
[13:34]  Achimot: what's the resolution on that 
photo?
[13:35]  what a quack
[13:35]  worried? nahh.. just wasnt sure on 
how to deal with him, he was comng out of left field
[13:35]  achimoth always make them make their 
case
[13:35]  alcuin: dunno.. its a moderately nice 
looking black woman
[13:35]  a painting tho
[13:35]  achimoth ever read Crash Go the Chariots?
[13:35]  oh is it a Nubian?
[13:35]  chrissie: yep
[13:36]  yep Nubians are actually alinens.. 
(doing a JF imitation) hehehehehe
[13:36]  aliens even
[13:36]  Sounds racist from where I'm standing...
[13:36]  yah
[13:36]  its a similar religion to the ones 
who claim they follow this guy called Yahweh ben Yahweh
[13:37]  yea Nubians are an interesting bunch, 
saw a tv program on them. Nubian women are supposed 
to be the most beautiful in the world.
[13:37]  Describing those of African or Middle 
Eastern origin as alien life forms--even under the 
pretext of honoring them--strips them of their humanity 
and dignity.
[13:37]  that's right
[13:38]  Acolyte: you did a nice job of helping 
our visitor to draw out the substance of his belief 
"system".
[13:40]  alcuin thank you
[13:40]  alcuin too gracious
[13:40]  alcuin seriously thanks
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[13:40]  man he was LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOO
[13:40]  haahaha
[13:41]  hmmmmm
[13:41]  let see
[13:41] Nick change: Boozer -> Pot
[13:41]  i thought id never see the day someone 
peaked aco's lame-o-meter
[13:41]  I just want to laugh
[13:41] Action: Pot calls the Kettle lame.
[13:41]  achimoth that was it
[13:41] Nick change: Pot -> Boozer
[13:41]  Boozer, hey at the very least some 
of the greatest minds the world have ever seen have 
been xian.
[13:42]  usually ive seen you take athiests 
and handle em with no probs for hours...
[13:42]  boozer and 1.5 billion can't all be 
totoally stupid
[13:42]  achimoth who?
[13:42]  such as?
[13:42]  Aco: you.. I mean I've seen you be 
patient for hours and hours with folks
[13:42]  boozer Aquinas
[13:42]  achimothis that whats that called
[13:42]  Acolyte: some of the lamest minds the 
world has ever seen have been Christian, too.
[13:43]  achimoth his theory was not methodologically 
falsifiable. If the experts lie, why trust his experts?
[13:43]  aco: true
[13:43]  Alcuin this is so, Atheists as well
[13:43]  Acolyte: yes.
[13:44]  Alcuin I am only trying to say that 
Xian Theism is not anywhere close to being as far out 
as Boozer seems to think
[13:44]  alcuin by pointing to the ratationl 
persons who held to it
[13:44]  The problem was not that JustFacts was 
more "lame" than anyone else, but that he had recognized 
that he couldn't provide a rational account of his 
experience, and had therefore opted for an irra

tional account.  Not exactly unprecedented.
[13:44]  alcuin it was methodologically unfalsifiable 
tho
[13:45]  no way to check it in any sense
[13:45]  Boozer: Seems to me that some versions 
of Christian Theism are extremely far out--no less 
so than what JF was propounding--while other versions 
of Christian Theism are intellectually satisfying.
[13:45]  and no matter what I said, nothing 
would ever occur to him that he was wrong
[13:45]  I've yet to hear the satisfying version.
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[13:45]  boozer what have you read on the topic?
[13:45]  Acolyte: You are right.  A position 
that rejects rationality on principle cannot in the 
nature of the case be verified.  Such a position consists 
entirely of belief, rather than of knowledge.
[13:45]  or maybe I have, and I haven't been 
satisfied.  Know what I mean?
[13:46]  boozer what have you read on the topic?
[13:46]  alcuin - so finish what you were telling 
me
[13:46]  Acolyte: it's no different with any cultists.
[13:46]  Deanr yes it is
[13:46]  You're getting into that "repeat question 
a million times" mode again Acolyte.
[13:46]  Boozer: You have yet to hear a satisfying 
version.  That doesn't surprise me.  They're not easy 
to come by in the culture of the late 20th c.  However, 
they are out there.  Here, for example.
[13:46]  what should I read?  I took philosophy 
in college.  we had a wide variety of readings.
[13:46]  deanr some cultists attempt to be rational, 
I can "see" their argument, this guy was doing Flew's 
Invisible gardener thingie
[13:47]  JF: pardon?  What was I telling you?
[13:47] Nick change: JF -> JustFacts
[13:47]  about Christ
[13:47]  or angels
[13:47]  Substitute "she" for "he" in the above observations.
[13:47]  boozer if I you would answer about 
the first one I would not have to repeat it
[13:47]  Acoyte - you believe in angels?
[13:47]  boozer what have you read on the topic
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[13:47]  JF yes I do
[13:47]  JustFacts: I'll be glad to answer whatever 
questions you have.
[13:48]  re Bon
[13:48]  re
[13:48]  Aco: well, they certainly have their 
theology which they rationalize.. however, nothing 
is verfiable.. is my point.
[13:48]  acol - where are they?
[13:48]  Acolyte, you have an annoying habit 
of asking the same question twice in quick sucession 
before one even has a chance to answer it.
[13:48]  JT no where
[13:48]  Supposedly patience is a virtue.
[13:48]  boozer ok answer it now
[13:48]  acuin - i thought you were telling 
me somethiing
[13:48]  JF angels lack location
[13:48]  Acol - have you seen any?
[13:48]  Jf no
[13:49]  Acolyte: Maybe Boozer hasn't read on 
the topic.  Maybe he's been exposed to some versions 
of Xianity first hand.  Maybe he has engaged in "history 
of religion" from an academic standpoint....
[13:49]  but you believe in them?
[13:49]  JF I have not seen any angels
[13:49]  Acolyte, and the answer is:  I can't 
possibly list every article I have ever read on theology, 
philosophy, etc.  Can you?
[13:49]  alcuin that is why I am asking
[13:49]  boozer give me a general idea then
[13:49]  Boozer: Don't go there.  Acolyte *might 
very well* start listing what he's read.  Right Ac? 
;)
[13:49]  they lack location?
[13:49]  does the bible say that?
[13:49]  alcuin not quite as long as your list 
tho
[13:49]  Jf I think so
[13:49] Action: Achimoth is having a hard time keeping 
his breath as he reads the web page... hes laughing 
too hard.
[13:50]  JustFacts: Yes, angels normally lack 
location.
[13:50]  acolyte
[13:50]  Furthermore, I don't remember the names 
of all the authors because they really aren't important. 
 it's the concept that it important.
[13:50]  normally?
[13:50]  :)
[13:50]  Boozer: points granted.  It's the ideas. 
 Why do you reject Christianity?
[13:50]  Boozer ok what Theists  have you read? 
I mean sources?
[13:50]  BRBR call
[13:50] Action: Boozer sighs.
[13:50]  brb AGAIN
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[13:51] Action: Deanr wishes he could continue in this 
entertainment... but, has to run. Later all.
[13:51]  Boozer: Doesn't matter what you've read.
[13:51]  I doubt this is going to help "Introuction 
to Philosophy"  "Modern issues in the phil of religion"
[13:51]  Where was Jes from?
[13:51]  Bye, Deanr
[13:51]  Jsus
[13:51]  Jesus
[13:51]  some other book for my belief and unbelief 
class.
[13:51]  alciun
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[13:51]  Boozer: The sources you name show that 
you have tried to seriously engage the issues.  Respectable.
[13:52]  I reject xianity because it is based 
on principles contrary to reality.
[13:52]  JustFacts: Jesus was born in Bethlehem, 
Judah.
[13:52]  Boozer: OK, now we have something to 
work with.  
[13:52]  Why did he say he was from above?
[13:52]  can someone explain the logic of this 
passage:
[13:52]  To go from the highest level, An Etherian 
to Anunnaqi to Rizqiyian which is the lowest end. If 
The 360 deg. are conquered here, the Anunnaqi becomes 
an Etherian again. If the 360 deg of disagreeable conquers 
the being rules with

 the Lucerferians. Humans have 360 deg. of what is 
called WILL. When 180 deg of agreeable overcomes the 
180 deg. of disagreeable, that person takes step towards 
becoming an Eloheem and even an Etherian but on a lower 
l
[13:52]  alcuin
[13:52]  you don't have anything to work with. 
 I didn't come here to get converted, or have anyone 
try.
[13:53]  Boozer: Your claim is that Christianity 
is based on principles contrary to reality.  Our claim 
is that having a concept of reality is not possible 
apart from Christian principles.
[13:53]  i cant find anything but double talk
[13:53]  Boozer: Don't fear.  No one will try 
to convert you if you're not interested.
[13:53]  yes, I've heard that before.
[13:53]  Alcuin - Why did he say he was from 
above?
[13:54]  Boozer: Oh, so you're willing to lump 
me, whom you've never engaged in conversation, with 
some prejudice of yours?  I feel fairly treated :)
[13:55]  Alcuin, what makes you think that?
[13:55]  Boozer: If you're interested in analyzing 
your ideas together, here I am.  If not, I certainly 
won't bother you.:)
[13:55]  Boozer - what is your religion?
[13:55]  I think it was ProfG who was telling 
me and some others that logic has no place in the atheist 
paradigm (he loves that word).
[13:56]  And that you must first have god to 
introduce knowledge, logic, etc.
[13:56]  Something along those lines anyway.
[13:56] Action: Boozer is without religion.
[13:56]  Boozer: The use of logic presupposes 
the existence of God.
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[13:57]  JustFacts: Jesus said that he was from 
above because his existence preceded his physical essence 
temporally and logically.
[13:57]  above meaning what?
[13:57]  a place
[13:57]  or what?
[13:57]  what does Anu mean?
[13:57]  in greek
[13:57]  Alcuin, see what I mean?  You just said 
it yourself.
[13:57]  JustFacts: "above" being a metaphor for 
non-materiality.
[13:58]  Alcuin where is that ffrom?
[13:58]  non-materiality
[13:58]  Boozer: You mean that affirmation of 
the preconditions of logic?  Yes, I put that there 
to help identify the position you were attributing 
to ProfG.
[13:58]  where can i fid that definition?
[13:58]  of Anu
[13:58]  JustFacts: To ask a "where" question about 
something that isn't even extended in space is mighty 
confused.
[13:58]  Acolyte: does Kahlil Gibran ring a 
bell?
[13:59]  Alcuin, I'll let you deal with JustFacts 
for now.
[13:59]  achimoth yes it does, but hol don i 
amon the phone
[13:59]  JustFacts: Try _Encyclopedia of Philosophy_ 
under "abstract" or "concrete" for these and similar definitions.
[13:59]  Achimoth Muslim/Gnostic/syncritistic
[13:59]  Anu means non-materiality?
[13:59]  thats who York bases his stuff on
[13:59]  Achiomothe not true
[13:59]  Boozer: Agreed.  However, I must leave 
for a short while.  Perhaps we can get to the bottom 
of this "logic" and this "contrary to reality" issue later?
[13:59]  t all
[14:00]  perhaps.
[14:00]  A Note from The Translator: I, Dr. 
Malachi Z. York, am translating this book for the Holy 
Tabernacle Ministries. I did Not write this book entitled 
"the Prophet" based on Pro-religious propaga

nda. The Fact is that the writings of Khalil Gibran 
(1883-1931a.d) are gifts from the masters, and he has 
written some of the most profound writings of its time, 
in which I intend to rekindle, within the hearts of 
the ENOSITES (Mortal Man), for this alo

n
[14:00]  bbl
[14:00] Alcuin (kingtutor@remote4-line14.cis.yale.edu) 
left irc: Don't neglect to quit not being illogical!
[14:00]  justfacts: read it and weep.. ;)
[14:00]  achimoth - he translated his book
[14:00]  not get info from it
[14:00]  i have the book
[14:00]  Achimoth
[14:00]  from Arabic
[14:01]  to english
[14:01]  justfacts: however he does seem to 
put some weight to Gibrans writings
[14:02]  one called the Prophet
[14:02]  that is misunderstood
[14:02]  have you read it?
[14:02]  boozer - what is your religion?
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[14:02]  here is what York said:
[14:02]  Khalil Gibran was born in Basharri, 
Lebanon on January 6 1883 a.d and died April 10,1931 
A.D. His pen was guided by the masters for the wisdom 
which flowed through him when he wrote, is not found 
on this earthly realm. 
[14:03]  Achimoth - yes
[14:03]  have you read the book?
[14:03]  JF, you already asked that.  I am without 
religion.
[14:03]  sounds like he repsects Gibrans writings 
to me
[14:03]  oh didnt see it
[14:03]  Achimoth - yes he does
[14:03]  I have read gibrain, a fruit as well
[14:04]  define fruit
[14:04]  brb
[14:04]  acolyte
[14:04]  hey, not fair, his writings are beautiful. 
;-(
[14:04]  chrisse theologically heretical too
[14:04]  chrissie: they are beautiful, but 
are they right?
[14:05]  thats Aco's point i believe
[14:05]  what is in it to be right or wrong?
[14:05]  you mean are they authentic?
[14:05]  interesting point, some of them i 
find beautiful and right. for inst. what he wrote about 
raising children is just beautiful.
[14:06]  "his pen was guided by the masters 
for the wisdom which dlowed through him when he wrote"
[14:06]  the bible is beutiful - but is it 
right?
[14:06]  flowed even
[14:06]  Achimoth - and Dr. York translated 
it
[14:06]  i don't choose to believe that.
[14:06]  belief is ignorance
[14:06]  you should know
[14:07]  i have to ask, do you both believe 
every single thing in the Bible, literally?
[14:07] Action: Acolyte hands a copy of C.S. Lewis' 
Space Trilogy to Justfacts saying "Here, read this, 
he does it better." 
[14:07] Action: Acolyte hands a copy of C.S. Lewis' 
Space Trilogy to Justfacts saying "Here, read this, 
he does it better." 
[14:07]  Acolyte - define fruit?
[14:07]  chrissie: is both = achimoth and justfacts?
[14:08]  Fruit=Justfacts
[14:08]  yea, but you too
[14:08] Action: Acolyte hands a copy of C.S. Lewis' 
Space Trilogy to Justfacts saying "Here, read this, 
he does it better." 
[14:08] Action: Acolyte hands a copy of C.S. Lewis' 
Space Trilogy to Justfacts saying "Here, read this, 
he does it better." 
[14:08] Action: Acolyte hands a copy of C.S. Lewis' 
Space Trilogy to Justfacts saying "Here, read this, 
he does it better." 
[14:08]  acolyte - why regress to name calling?
[14:08]  this is absurd
[14:08]  6. Egoism is the "I-ness and My-ness" 
which creates the illusion that the physical body is 
the real you. 
[14:08]  this sounds like Christian Science, 
and gnosticism among others
[14:09]  justfacts i kicked you before for this 
thread cease and dessist
[14:09]  chrissie no I dont
[14:09]  chrisse but Gibran was influeneced 
by Gnosticism adn Islam
[14:09]  both are false religions
[14:09]  Acolyte - Acimothis quoting not me
[14:09]  chrissie: there are parts of the bible, 
esp in the Prophets and in Revelation that are symbolic
[14:09]  JF thats fine
[14:09]  which religion is true?
[14:10]  JC christianity
[14:10]  prove it
[14:10]  JF why do I need to? I am already convinced
[14:10]  you made a statement
[14:10]  Jesus Christ is Truth
[14:10]  JF it was already proven to be rational 
to me, why should I convince myself again
[14:10]  so I did
[14:10]  backit up
[14:10]  why do I need to?
[14:10]  yes i agree with you, but God speaks 
through everyone, not just Christians, and some of 
gibran's writings, to me, arae truly god inspired. 
;-)
[14:10]  how is the others false
[14:11]  brb
[14:11]  Aco: now that i have this web page, 
all i have to do when JF starts up is refer them to 
the URL.. heh
[14:12]  Achimoth - prove anything on the 
page wrong
[14:12]  all you have is myths
[14:12]  haha, what a challenge.
[14:12]  and no answers
[14:12]  JR perhaps I do
[14:12]  justfacts: why should I.. it speaks 
for itself...
[14:12]  just beliefs
[14:12]  perhaps not
[14:12]  speaking of facts.. you have less 
than i do
[14:13]  jf but why do I need to prove anything?
[14:13]  Acolyte - you dont
[14:13]  to make statements
[14:13]  JF perhaps I don't So what
[14:13]  you should back it up
[14:13]  you are pushing this mushmash of the 
Bible, babyloniation texts, and racism
[14:13]  JF why should I?
[14:13]  mishmash even, not to mention a lot 
of Islam and Gnosticism mixed in
[14:13]  Achimoth - where do you see racism
[14:13]  ?
[14:14]  all i see is genuine bullshit
[14:14]  aco: that too
[14:14]  ;)
[14:14]  Achimoth - where is the racism?
[14:14]  and Islam
[14:14]  and gnosti..
[14:14]  achimoth and YES that is a technical 
TERM
[14:14]  where is it
[14:14]  JF why should I?
[14:14]  ?
[14:14]  dont
[14:15]  justfacts: the fact that all these 
folks mentioned, the Annunaqi are all nubian?
[14:15]  Achimoth its a fact
[14:15]  What was Jesus?
[14:15]  JF why not do this, when you convice 
the #atheism channel you can come over here and try 
us? hows that sound?
[14:15]  its a pure theory.. no fact
[14:15]  God and Man=Jesus
[14:15]  Abraham 
[14:15]  Moses
[14:15]  your "facts" are total BS
[14:15]  abraham=freind of God
[14:15]  Noah
[14:15]  what are they?
[14:15]  Moses=lawgiver
[14:15]  what race?
[14:15]  MEN
[14:15]  Semites
[14:15]  you are as close to facts as I am 
to Jerusalem
[14:15]  no such word
[14:16]  Noah was before Shem
[14:16]  sure is
[14:16]  check in the dictionary
[14:16]  Hey, don't dump your garbage on the 
#atheism channel.
[14:16]  boozer: huh?
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[14:16]  what is the problem
[14:16]  justfacts leave or I will ban you
[14:16]  ?
[14:16]  why?
[14:17]  I don't want this BULLSHIT On my channel 
ok
[14:17]  what have i done?
[14:17]  take it somewhere else
[14:17]  you ask me here
[14:17]  the insult me
[14:17]  with names
[14:17]  now I am asking you there
[14:17]  then wantto ban me?
[14:17]  yup
[14:17]  fruit
[14:17]  crazy
[14:17]  lame
[14:17]  you presented us with contrivances 
disguised as supposed "facts"..
[14:17]  irrational
[14:17]  certifiable
[14:17]  looney
[14:17]  bonkers
[14:17]  all it is theory and speculation and 
a lot of New Age doctrine
[14:17]  WACKED
[14:17] Action: Boozer hears the pot mumbling something 
about the kettle again.
[14:17]  oh i see - This is the friut of Christianity?
[14:18]  ok
[14:18]  name calling badgering
[14:18]  etc.
[14:18]  yeah very Christ-Like
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[14:18]  ok ban time
[14:18]  JF: go back to Rizq
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[14:18]  leave now or be banned
[14:18]  I am sorry
[14:18]  but THAT had to go
[14:19]  hahaha
[14:19]  Boozer, the pot might hitcha too if 
youdon't watch it
[14:19]  the BS level was reaching record proportions
[14:19]  he on EFnet #bible too.. if he starts 
up in there he's banned there too
[14:19]  funny how one man's BS is another man's 
fertilizer.
[14:21]  boozer by anyother name stillsmells 
like shit
[14:21]  aco: ROFL
[14:21]  a rose by any other name is still 
a rose
[14:21]  Shakespeare
[14:21]  ;)
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[14:22]  I think you missed my point.
[14:22]  lol
[14:22]  Crap by anyother name still smells 
as bad-Perry Robinson
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[14:22]  boozer I know your point, it misssed 
tho
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[14:26]  what do you talk about in here?
[14:26]  Holy tabernackle Ministries eh?
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[14:27]  I am gonna ban you
[14:27]  why am i beingkicked?
[14:27]  THINK REALL HARD ABOUT IT
[14:27]  just tell m 
[14:27]  that
[14:27] Action: Boozer always loves the "Why am I being 
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[14:27]  Why am I being kicked?
[14:27] Action: Bon grins innocently
[14:28]  why acolyte?
[14:28]  look its like a harely davidson, if 
you have to ask, you don't GET IT
[14:28]  just for kicks :)
[14:28]  my sides are hurting.. :)
[14:28]  is it becuase idont agree with your 
theories?
[14:28]  need some painkillers achi? :)
[14:28]  Acolyte, can you explain the Harley 
Davidson analogy?
[14:28]  bon: nah.. ;)
[14:28]  just need to relax a little more
[14:29]  :) hehe
[14:29]  boozer its a t chirt
[14:29]  shirt
[14:29]  Jf cause  your CRAZY
[14:29]  jf now comes the ban
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[14:29]  :(
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[14:31] Action: Bawn shrugs
[14:32]  next time someone asks me why I'm not 
an xian I'll just say "It's on a T-shirt."
[14:34] Action: Boozer pokes Bawn.
[14:35]  aigh
[14:35]  it wasn't that hard of a poke :)
[14:35]  boozer this guy claims to be a reincarnationof 
Jesus
[14:35]  hah! you werent the one with a finger 
in between your ribs
[14:35]  which guy?
[14:36]  that must have been someone else poking 
you Bawn.  I was poking your eye :)
[14:36] Nick change: Bawn -> Cranberry
[14:36]  justfacts "expert" says he is the reincarnation 
of Jesus
[14:36] Nick change: Cranberry -> Bawn
[14:36]  among other ppl
[14:36]  maybe he is :)
[14:36]  hhehehe
[14:37]  I saw a headline on a tabloid that said 
"Jesus to make triumphant return in 1996."
[14:37]  cool
[14:37]  but he wont be reincarnated
[14:37]  because he aint dead
[14:38]  what form do you suppose the second 
coming would take?
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[14:38]  prolly as it is described in la biblia
[14:38]  :)
[14:38]  which is?
[14:38]  on clouds
[14:38]  and triumphantly
[14:39]  what's it going to look like?
[14:39]  would that be altostratus or cumulonimbus 
clouds?
[14:40]  cirrus
[14:40]  I am dizzy
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[14:40] Action: Bawn sighs
[14:40]  cirrus are high clouds.  I would think 
a nice low cumulus would be more convincing.
[14:41]  but cumulus are so dark
[14:41]  I think he would be on something nice 
and white
[14:41]  fair weather cumulus.
[14:41]  hey maybe he will create a new cloud just 
for that day
[14:41]  puffy white things.
[14:41] Action: Bawn sits quietly and watches the room 
rotate around her
[14:42]  If you don't know, just say you don't 
know.
[14:42]  dont know what?
[14:42]  don't know what the 2nd coming is going 
to look like.
[14:43]  how would we know?  I told you what the 
bible says.  You can look into it for yourself.  I 
can guarantee it wont be as a reincarnated Jesus however
[14:43]  what if I miss it?
[14:43]  if you dont wish to accept my answers 
 that is fine
[14:43]  The bible says that the entire world will 
see it.
[14:43]  all you said was on clouds and triumphantly.
[14:44]  hey look it up :)
[14:44]  its like in matthew and Revelations
[14:44]  triumphantly is rather vague and subjective.
[14:44]  they got Adam as a black man.. hehehehe
[14:44] Action: Bawn shrugs
[14:44]  Adam was a black man
[14:44]  :P
[14:45]  actuthe root for A'dam is red, or 
ruddy
[14:45]  "Certainly looking triumphant today Mr. 
Jordan."
[14:45]  hey boozer
[14:45]  yes?
[14:45]  go drink a brewski
[14:45]  :)
[14:45]  I wouldn't mind.
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[14:46] Action: Bawn contemplates going home.
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some more 
[14:46] Action: Boozer hands Bawn a greasy pork sandwich 
in a dirty ashtray.  Enjoy.
[14:46]  gee thanks
[14:46]  don't mention it.
[14:47] Action: Bawn hands boozer a glass of cranberry 
juice and tofu
[14:47]  enjoy :)
[14:47]  thanks for the juice.
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[14:48]  well?
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[14:52]  something for you guys to consider: 
 Don't all begin your nicks with A.  Acolyte, Alcuin, 
Achimoth.  It gets confusing, especially since you 
all sound the same.
[14:52]  Have a nice day.
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