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The following is the first draft of the letter I will be sending to
CBS concerning "Ancient Secrets of the Bible." Critical comments are
welcomed, but please respond through e-mail unless you think your comments
are relevant to talk.origins.
I focused narrowly on Carl Baugh and some of his claims. I did this
because I am most familiar with this topic, and I didn't see the entire
show.
I still have to double-check the accuracy of my typing in the letter.
Please let me know of any mistakes. I a The following is the first draft of the letter I will be sending to
CBS concerning "Ancient Secrets of the Bible." Critical comments are
welcomed, but please respond through e-mail unless you think your comments
are relevant to talk.origins.
I focused narrowly on Carl Baugh and some of his claims. I did this
because I am most familiar with this topic, and I didn't see the entire
show.
I still have to double-check the accuracy of my typing in the letter.
Please let me know of any mistakes. I a The following is the first draft of the letter I will be sending to
CBS concerning "Ancient Secrets of the Bible." Critical comments are
welcomed, but please respond through e-mail unless you think your comments
are relevant to talk.origins.
I focused narrowly on Carl Baugh and some of his claims. I did this
because I am most familiar with this topic, and I didn't see the entire
show.
I still have to double-check the accuracy of my typing in the letter.
Please let me know of any mistakes. I a The following is the first draft of the letter I will be sending to
CBS concerning "Ancient Secrets of the Bible." Critical comments are
welcomed, but please respond through e-mail unless you think your comments
are relevant to talk.origins.
I focused narrowly on Carl Baugh and some of his claims. I did this
because I am most familiar with this topic, and I didn't see the entire
show.
I still have to double-check the accuracy of my typing in the letter.
Please let me know of any mistakes. I as of the
Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. He claims that this evidence shows that
humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Mr. Baugh also showed an iron hammer with a
wooden handle found near London, Texas by others in the 1930's in an
'Ordovician' stone concretion. If this claim were authentic, it would show
that either hammer-making humans existed 500 million years ago (the age of the
Ordovician period) or current ideas about the history of life on earth are
incorrect.
I will deal with these two claims ss of the
Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. He claims that this evidence shows that
humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Mr. Baugh also showed an iron hammer with a
wooden handle found near London, Texas by others in the 1930's in an
'Ordovician' stone concretion. If this claim were authentic, it would show
that either hammer-making humans existed 500 million years ago (the age of the
Ordovician period) or current ideas about the history of life on earth are
incorrect.
I will deal with these two claims ss of the
Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. He claims that this evidence shows that
humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Mr. Baugh also showed an iron hammer with a
wooden handle found near London, Texas by others in the 1930's in an
'Ordovician' stone concretion. If this claim were authentic, it would show
that either hammer-making humans existed 500 million years ago (the age of the
Ordovician period) or current ideas about the history of life on earth are
incorrect.
I will deal with these two claims ss of the
Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. He claims that this evidence shows that
humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Mr. Baugh also showed an iron hammer with a
wooden handle found near London, Texas by others in the 1930's in an
'Ordovician' stone concretion. If this claim were authentic, it would show
that either hammer-making humans existed 500 million years ago (the age of the
Ordovician period) or current ideas about the history of life on earth are
incorrect.
I will deal with these two claims s so I will
attempt to summarize. I encourage the reader to check out the sources at the
end of this letter.
Godfrey (1985, pp. 34-35) states that Baugh's 'mantracks' at the
McFall Site (at Paluxy) fall into three categories:
(1) Clear toe impressions of tridactyl [three-toed] dinosaurs
(2) poor dinosaur tracks
(3) Invertebrate burrow casts of _Thalassinoides_ that creationists
identify as 'toes' of their 'mantracks.'
In addition, various scientists have explanations for the supposed
so I will
attempt to summarize. I encourage the reader to check out the sources at the
end of this letter.
Godfrey (1985, pp. 34-35) states that Baugh's 'mantracks' at the
McFall Site (at Paluxy) fall into three categories:
(1) Clear toe impressions of tridactyl [three-toed] dinosaurs
(2) poor dinosaur tracks
(3) Invertebrate burrow casts of _Thalassinoides_ that creationists
identify as 'toes' of their 'mantracks.'
In addition, various scientists have explanations for the supposed
so I will
attempt to summarize. I encourage the reader to check out the sources at the
end of this letter.
Godfrey (1985, pp. 34-35) states that Baugh's 'mantracks' at the
McFall Site (at Paluxy) fall into three categories:
(1) Clear toe impressions of tridactyl [three-toed] dinosaurs
(2) poor dinosaur tracks
(3) Invertebrate burrow casts of _Thalassinoides_ that creationists
identify as 'toes' of their 'mantracks.'
In addition, various scientists have explanations for the supposed
so I will
attempt to summarize. I encourage the reader to check out the sources at the
end of this letter.
Godfrey (1985, pp. 34-35) states that Baugh's 'mantracks' at the
McFall Site (at Paluxy) fall into three categories:
(1) Clear toe impressions of tridactyl [three-toed] dinosaurs
(2) poor dinosaur tracks
(3) Invertebrate burrow casts of _Thalassinoides_ that creationists
identify as 'toes' of their 'mantracks.'
In addition, various scientists have explanations for the supposed
tivities. The facts have flat been dismissed.'
He [West] added that Baugh's prints were 'totally contrived
from his imagination.' West had worked directly on excavations
and had even made the plaster casts for Baugh of some of the
tracks. In this connection, West noted that he had seen some
plaster casts which, when they were transformed into fiberglass
casts, were made to look more human in the process."
Baugh's claims have even been questioned by creationists:
"Knowledgeable creationistivities. The facts have flat been dismissed.'
He [West] added that Baugh's prints were 'totally contrived
from his imagination.' West had worked directly on excavations
and had even made the plaster casts for Baugh of some of the
tracks. In this connection, West noted that he had seen some
plaster casts which, when they were transformed into fiberglass
casts, were made to look more human in the process."
Baugh's claims have even been questioned by creationists:
"Knowledgeable creationistivities. The facts have flat been dismissed.'
He [West] added that Baugh's prints were 'totally contrived
from his imagination.' West had worked directly on excavations
and had even made the plaster casts for Baugh of some of the
tracks. In this connection, West noted that he had seen some
plaster casts which, when they were transformed into fiberglass
casts, were made to look more human in the process."
Baugh's claims have even been questioned by creationists:
"Knowledgeable creationistivities. The facts have flat been dismissed.'
He [West] added that Baugh's prints were 'totally contrived
from his imagination.' West had worked directly on excavations
and had even made the plaster casts for Baugh of some of the
tracks. In this connection, West noted that he had seen some
plaster casts which, when they were transformed into fiberglass
casts, were made to look more human in the process."
Baugh's claims have even been questioned by creationists:
"Knowledgeable creationisof the Louisiana legislature
was clearly to advance a religious viewpoint that a
supernatural being created humankind. The term 'creation
science' was defined as embracing this particular
religious doctrine by those responsible for the passage
of the Creationism Act." (As quoted in Strahler, 1987, p. 528)
I realize that the program was not primarily concerned with the
views of creation 'scientists.' However, I feel that by airing "Ancient
Secrets of the Bible," CBS has helped to advance the of the Louisiana legislature
was clearly to advance a religious viewpoint that a
supernatural being created humankind. The term 'creation
science' was defined as embracing this particular
religious doctrine by those responsible for the passage
of the Creationism Act." (As quoted in Strahler, 1987, p. 528)
I realize that the program was not primarily concerned with the
views of creation 'scientists.' However, I feel that by airing "Ancient
Secrets of the Bible," CBS has helped to advance the of the Louisiana legislature
was clearly to advance a religious viewpoint that a
supernatural being created humankind. The term 'creation
science' was defined as embracing this particular
religious doctrine by those responsible for the passage
of the Creationism Act." (As quoted in Strahler, 1987, p. 528)
I realize that the program was not primarily concerned with the
views of creation 'scientists.' However, I feel that by airing "Ancient
Secrets of the Bible," CBS has helped to advance the of the Louisiana legislature
was clearly to advance a religious viewpoint that a
supernatural being created humankind. The term 'creation
science' was defined as embracing this particular
religious doctrine by those responsible for the passage
of the Creationism Act." (As quoted in Strahler, 1987, p. 528)
I realize that the program was not primarily concerned with the
views of creation 'scientists.' However, I feel that by airing "Ancient
Secrets of the Bible," CBS has helped to advance the s allegedly proven that everything in it is the absolute truth.
Rather than bore you with the details, I have attached a copy of the
letter I am sending to CBS. It's long, but I wanted it to be detailed.
I encourage you all to write to CBS, and to make your displeasure at this show
known. Please feel free to use parts of my letter, so long as the original
intent of the letter is not changed. The more _unique_ letters CBS receives,
the better. At the end of this post, I have also included the liss allegedly proven that everything in it is the absolute truth.
Rather than bore you with the details, I have attached a copy of the
letter I am sending to CBS. It's long, but I wanted it to be detailed.
I encourage you all to write to CBS, and to make your displeasure at this show
known. Please feel free to use parts of my letter, so long as the original
intent of the letter is not changed. The more _unique_ letters CBS receives,
the better. At the end of this post, I have also included the liss allegedly proven that everything in it is the absolute truth.
Rather than bore you with the details, I have attached a copy of the
letter I am sending to CBS. It's long, but I wanted it to be detailed.
I encourage you all to write to CBS, and to make your displeasure at this show
known. Please feel free to use parts of my letter, so long as the original
intent of the letter is not changed. The more _unique_ letters CBS receives,
the better. At the end of this post, I have also included the liss allegedly proven that everything in it is the absolute truth.
Rather than bore you with the details, I have attached a copy of the
letter I am sending to CBS. It's long, but I wanted it to be detailed.
I encourage you all to write to CBS, and to make your displeasure at this show
known. Please feel free to use parts of my letter, so long as the original
intent of the letter is not changed. The more _unique_ letters CBS receives,
the better. At the end of this post, I have also included the lisshow. Their credibility would have been
aided (or eroded?) had their institutional affiliations been clearly stated -
most were not. What makes them an "expert", and what are their
qualifications?
How are they regarded in the scientific community at large - what are
their reputations?
2) Most of the experts were clearly biased. The program had one skeptical
expert with a 10 second sound bite, then the program spent 20 minutes
with other
experts, along with glitzy productions that illustrated show. Their credibility would have been
aided (or eroded?) had their institutional affiliations been clearly stated -
most were not. What makes them an "expert", and what are their
qualifications?
How are they regarded in the scientific community at large - what are
their reputations?
2) Most of the experts were clearly biased. The program had one skeptical
expert with a 10 second sound bite, then the program spent 20 minutes
with other
experts, along with glitzy productions that illustrated show. Their credibility would have been
aided (or eroded?) had their institutional affiliations been clearly stated -
most were not. What makes them an "expert", and what are their
qualifications?
How are they regarded in the scientific community at large - what are
their reputations?
2) Most of the experts were clearly biased. The program had one skeptical
expert with a 10 second sound bite, then the program spent 20 minutes
with other
experts, along with glitzy productions that illustrated show. Their credibility would have been
aided (or eroded?) had their institutional affiliations been clearly stated -
most were not. What makes them an "expert", and what are their
qualifications?
How are they regarded in the scientific community at large - what are
their reputations?
2) Most of the experts were clearly biased. The program had one skeptical
expert with a 10 second sound bite, then the program spent 20 minutes
with other
experts, along with glitzy productions that illustrated m's
writers could learn from.
6) Most Biblical skeptics concede the fact that the Bible quite possibly has
a great deal of historic accuracy. The program's logic, that since various
cities have been discovered their mere existance proves the veracity of
Biblical miracles, is faulty to the extreme. By that logic I could claim that
the Greek Gods truly exist because of the ancient ruins in Greece and the
recent discovery of Troy.
7) The program covered quite a variety of topics. If you had trm's
writers could learn from.
6) Most Biblical skeptics concede the fact that the Bible quite possibly has
a great deal of historic accuracy. The program's logic, that since various
cities have been discovered their mere existance proves the veracity of
Biblical miracles, is faulty to the extreme. By that logic I could claim that
the Greek Gods truly exist because of the ancient ruins in Greece and the
recent discovery of Troy.
7) The program covered quite a variety of topics. If you had trm's
writers could learn from.
6) Most Biblical skeptics concede the fact that the Bible quite possibly has
a great deal of historic accuracy. The program's logic, that since various
cities have been discovered their mere existance proves the veracity of
Biblical miracles, is faulty to the extreme. By that logic I could claim that
the Greek Gods truly exist because of the ancient ruins in Greece and the
recent discovery of Troy.
7) The program covered quite a variety of topics. If you had trm's
writers could learn from.
6) Most Biblical skeptics concede the fact that the Bible quite possibly has
a great deal of historic accuracy. The program's logic, that since various
cities have been discovered their mere existance proves the veracity of
Biblical miracles, is faulty to the extreme. By that logic I could claim that
the Greek Gods truly exist because of the ancient ruins in Greece and the
recent discovery of Troy.
7) The program covered quite a variety of topics. If you had trasking a Physicist or an Electrical Engineer
if that would be possible, let alone likely. As an engineer, I have my
doubts!
Given the speed of light, any radio communication would have been
tremendously slow, as we have not found any signs of intelligent life
within a 20 light-year
radius. In fact, even if there were an advanced civilization at the
closest star, Proxima Centauri, the round trip message time would have
been 8 years. This would have taxed anyone's patience - even if they
knew thasking a Physicist or an Electrical Engineer
if that would be possible, let alone likely. As an engineer, I have my
doubts!
Given the speed of light, any radio communication would have been
tremendously slow, as we have not found any signs of intelligent life
within a 20 light-year
radius. In fact, even if there were an advanced civilization at the
closest star, Proxima Centauri, the round trip message time would have
been 8 years. This would have taxed anyone's patience - even if they
knew thasking a Physicist or an Electrical Engineer
if that would be possible, let alone likely. As an engineer, I have my
doubts!
Given the speed of light, any radio communication would have been
tremendously slow, as we have not found any signs of intelligent life
within a 20 light-year
radius. In fact, even if there were an advanced civilization at the
closest star, Proxima Centauri, the round trip message time would have
been 8 years. This would have taxed anyone's patience - even if they
knew thasking a Physicist or an Electrical Engineer
if that would be possible, let alone likely. As an engineer, I have my
doubts!
Given the speed of light, any radio communication would have been
tremendously slow, as we have not found any signs of intelligent life
within a 20 light-year
radius. In fact, even if there were an advanced civilization at the
closest star, Proxima Centauri, the round trip message time would have
been 8 years. This would have taxed anyone's patience - even if they
knew th other bushes around so that it
could
be tested? Why was this not done? It would be an easy test, and would be
very
convincing if it worked.
4) Parting of the Red Sea
There was the skeptical Rabbi in the beginning who talked about the probable
numbers of people involved in the Exodus as being greater than 2 million.
How were the logistics of the travel done? Food and distribution? Movement
coordination? Where are the traces of the migration - surely a movement of
2 million plus people (pl other bushes around so that it
could
be tested? Why was this not done? It would be an easy test, and would be
very
convincing if it worked.
4) Parting of the Red Sea
There was the skeptical Rabbi in the beginning who talked about the probable
numbers of people involved in the Exodus as being greater than 2 million.
How were the logistics of the travel done? Food and distribution? Movement
coordination? Where are the traces of the migration - surely a movement of
2 million plus people (pl other bushes around so that it
could
be tested? Why was this not done? It would be an easy test, and would be
very
convincing if it worked.
4) Parting of the Red Sea
There was the skeptical Rabbi in the beginning who talked about the probable
numbers of people involved in the Exodus as being greater than 2 million.
How were the logistics of the travel done? Food and distribution? Movement
coordination? Where are the traces of the migration - surely a movement of
2 million plus people (pl other bushes around so that it
could
be tested? Why was this not done? It would be an easy test, and would be
very
convincing if it worked.
4) Parting of the Red Sea
There was the skeptical Rabbi in the beginning who talked about the probable
numbers of people involved in the Exodus as being greater than 2 million.
How were the logistics of the travel done? Food and distribution? Movement
coordination? Where are the traces of the migration - surely a movement of
2 million plus people (plegyptian relics been
found in that area, and have they been dated to the proper time?
5) Dinosaurs and People (evolution)
More than 99 percent of U.S. scientists believe in the veracity of evolution.
While having a majority does not mean that the view held is true, in a
community
whose fundamental principles call for constant re-examination and re-
evaluation
I feel it unlikely that a false theory would have lasted for over 100 years.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence in favor of evoluegyptian relics been
found in that area, and have they been dated to the proper time?
5) Dinosaurs and People (evolution)
More than 99 percent of U.S. scientists believe in the veracity of evolution.
While having a majority does not mean that the view held is true, in a
community
whose fundamental principles call for constant re-examination and re-
evaluation
I feel it unlikely that a false theory would have lasted for over 100 years.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence in favor of evoluegyptian relics been
found in that area, and have they been dated to the proper time?
5) Dinosaurs and People (evolution)
More than 99 percent of U.S. scientists believe in the veracity of evolution.
While having a majority does not mean that the view held is true, in a
community
whose fundamental principles call for constant re-examination and re-
evaluation
I feel it unlikely that a false theory would have lasted for over 100 years.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence in favor of evoluegyptian relics been
found in that area, and have they been dated to the proper time?
5) Dinosaurs and People (evolution)
More than 99 percent of U.S. scientists believe in the veracity of evolution.
While having a majority does not mean that the view held is true, in a
community
whose fundamental principles call for constant re-examination and re-
evaluation
I feel it unlikely that a false theory would have lasted for over 100 years.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence in favor of evolu evolution automatically mean that the judeo-christian
creation is the true one. Faulty logic, again!
6) The Ark of the Covanent
Was there the necessary technology? Sure - wood and gold working were well
advanced by this time in history. Why couldn't the israelites have made one?
As to there actually being one - why not? People have undertaken colossal
projects to appease their gods. Just look at the temples of many different
religions, and the cathedrals that took over a century to build evolution automatically mean that the judeo-christian
creation is the true one. Faulty logic, again!
6) The Ark of the Covanent
Was there the necessary technology? Sure - wood and gold working were well
advanced by this time in history. Why couldn't the israelites have made one?
As to there actually being one - why not? People have undertaken colossal
projects to appease their gods. Just look at the temples of many different
religions, and the cathedrals that took over a century to build evolution automatically mean that the judeo-christian
creation is the true one. Faulty logic, again!
6) The Ark of the Covanent
Was there the necessary technology? Sure - wood and gold working were well
advanced by this time in history. Why couldn't the israelites have made one?
As to there actually being one - why not? People have undertaken colossal
projects to appease their gods. Just look at the temples of many different
religions, and the cathedrals that took over a century to build evolution automatically mean that the judeo-christian
creation is the true one. Faulty logic, again!
6) The Ark of the Covanent
Was there the necessary technology? Sure - wood and gold working were well
advanced by this time in history. Why couldn't the israelites have made one?
As to there actually being one - why not? People have undertaken colossal
projects to appease their gods. Just look at the temples of many different
religions, and the cathedrals that took over a century to builds quite a lot
of engineering skill in those days, and cheap labor was readily available.
8) Walls of Jericho
Wall sapping has been known for millenia. Sapping is the technique of
tunnelling under a wall, supporting the roof with wood. Then the wood
is lit on
fire and when the tunnel gives way the walls collapse. Why rely on a miracle
when a rational explanation is readily available? Nor is lightening mentioned
in the story, yet your mini-movie had lightening striking the walls.
As to the s quite a lot
of engineering skill in those days, and cheap labor was readily available.
8) Walls of Jericho
Wall sapping has been known for millenia. Sapping is the technique of
tunnelling under a wall, supporting the roof with wood. Then the wood
is lit on
fire and when the tunnel gives way the walls collapse. Why rely on a miracle
when a rational explanation is readily available? Nor is lightening mentioned
in the story, yet your mini-movie had lightening striking the walls.
As to the s quite a lot
of engineering skill in those days, and cheap labor was readily available.
8) Walls of Jericho
Wall sapping has been known for millenia. Sapping is the technique of
tunnelling under a wall, supporting the roof with wood. Then the wood
is lit on
fire and when the tunnel gives way the walls collapse. Why rely on a miracle
when a rational explanation is readily available? Nor is lightening mentioned
in the story, yet your mini-movie had lightening striking the walls.
As to the s quite a lot
of engineering skill in those days, and cheap labor was readily available.
8) Walls of Jericho
Wall sapping has been known for millenia. Sapping is the technique of
tunnelling under a wall, supporting the roof with wood. Then the wood
is lit on
fire and when the tunnel gives way the walls collapse. Why rely on a miracle
when a rational explanation is readily available? Nor is lightening mentioned
in the story, yet your mini-movie had lightening striking the walls.
As to the eligious propaganda thinly veiled as
science. I will inform them that I am working on spreading the word of their
support for the program, and am encouraging people not to buy their products.
Additionally, in these days where poll after poll of the american population
shows a frightening lack of knowledge of basic science and the scientific
method, your representation of the methods and logic in this program as
scientific is nothing short of criminal. Many people in this country have the
TV as theligious propaganda thinly veiled as
science. I will inform them that I am working on spreading the word of their
support for the program, and am encouraging people not to buy their products.
Additionally, in these days where poll after poll of the american population
shows a frightening lack of knowledge of basic science and the scientific
method, your representation of the methods and logic in this program as
scientific is nothing short of criminal. Many people in this country have the
TV as theligious propaganda thinly veiled as
science. I will inform them that I am working on spreading the word of their
support for the program, and am encouraging people not to buy their products.
Additionally, in these days where poll after poll of the american population
shows a frightening lack of knowledge of basic science and the scientific
method, your representation of the methods and logic in this program as
scientific is nothing short of criminal. Many people in this country have the
TV as theligious propaganda thinly veiled as
science. I will inform them that I am working on spreading the word of their
support for the program, and am encouraging people not to buy their products.
Additionally, in these days where poll after poll of the american population
shows a frightening lack of knowledge of basic science and the scientific
method, your representation of the methods and logic in this program as
scientific is nothing short of criminal. Many people in this country have the
TV as th50
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omit Lot offering his daughters to the mob?
Randall Younker -- mentioned layer of ash. But is it volcanic? After all,
the cities may have been sacked for all we were told in the show. The five
sites listed were Bab Edh-Dhra (Sodom), Numeira (Gomorrah), Safi (Zoar),
Feifa (Admap) and Khanazir. Would someone who knows the appropriate indices
check for papers on these sites and let us know what you find?
Even if there is evidence of destruction of the Cities of the Plain, that
offers no support to
omit Lot offering his daughters to the mob?
Randall Younker -- mentioned layer of ash. But is it volcanic? After all,
the cities may have been sacked for all we were told in the show. The five
sites listed were Bab Edh-Dhra (Sodom), Numeira (Gomorrah), Safi (Zoar),
Feifa (Admap) and Khanazir. Would someone who knows the appropriate indices
check for papers on these sites and let us know what you find?
Even if there is evidence of destruction of the Cities of the Plain, that
offers no support to
omit Lot offering his daughters to the mob?
Randall Younker -- mentioned layer of ash. But is it volcanic? After all,
the cities may have been sacked for all we were told in the show. The five
sites listed were Bab Edh-Dhra (Sodom), Numeira (Gomorrah), Safi (Zoar),
Feifa (Admap) and Khanazir. Would someone who knows the appropriate indices
check for papers on these sites and let us know what you find?
Even if there is evidence of destruction of the Cities of the Plain, that
offers no support to
omit Lot offering his daughters to the mob?
Randall Younker -- mentioned layer of ash. But is it volcanic? After all,
the cities may have been sacked for all we were told in the show. The five
sites listed were Bab Edh-Dhra (Sodom), Numeira (Gomorrah), Safi (Zoar),
Feifa (Admap) and Khanazir. Would someone who knows the appropriate indices
check for papers on these sites and let us know what you find?
Even if there is evidence of destruction of the Cities of the Plain, that
offers no support twell as addressed the claim that Ipuwer papyrus is an account
of the Plagues of Egypt in ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, COSMIC COLLISIONS.
Ramses II (c. 1335 - 1205 B.C.) is identified in the show as the Pharoah of
the Exodus, but Brad Sparks ("Archaeological Researcher") makes the claim
that the Ipuwer papyrus, which dates to the end of the Middle Kingdom (~1850
B.C.) is a description of the Plagues. Not to mention the dating of the fall
of Jericho to Apr. 9, 1421 B.C., a century before Ramses II. Bit of a
pwell as addressed the claim that Ipuwer papyrus is an account
of the Plagues of Egypt in ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, COSMIC COLLISIONS.
Ramses II (c. 1335 - 1205 B.C.) is identified in the show as the Pharoah of
the Exodus, but Brad Sparks ("Archaeological Researcher") makes the claim
that the Ipuwer papyrus, which dates to the end of the Middle Kingdom (~1850
B.C.) is a description of the Plagues. Not to mention the dating of the fall
of Jericho to Apr. 9, 1421 B.C., a century before Ramses II. Bit of a
pwell as addressed the claim that Ipuwer papyrus is an account
of the Plagues of Egypt in ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, COSMIC COLLISIONS.
Ramses II (c. 1335 - 1205 B.C.) is identified in the show as the Pharoah of
the Exodus, but Brad Sparks ("Archaeological Researcher") makes the claim
that the Ipuwer papyrus, which dates to the end of the Middle Kingdom (~1850
B.C.) is a description of the Plagues. Not to mention the dating of the fall
of Jericho to Apr. 9, 1421 B.C., a century before Ramses II. Bit of a
pwell as addressed the claim that Ipuwer papyrus is an account
of the Plagues of Egypt in ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, COSMIC COLLISIONS.
Ramses II (c. 1335 - 1205 B.C.) is identified in the show as the Pharoah of
the Exodus, but Brad Sparks ("Archaeological Researcher") makes the claim
that the Ipuwer papyrus, which dates to the end of the Middle Kingdom (~1850
B.C.) is a description of the Plagues. Not to mention the dating of the fall
of Jericho to Apr. 9, 1421 B.C., a century before Ramses II. Bit of a
pself.
>
> "Apparently the shaking returned again and again, and the country was
> reduced
> to ruins, the state went into sudden decline, and life became unbearable."
>
> Apparently no such thing. Let's look at the context of two of the sentences
> he grabs out of the text in the above quote. Papyrus 2:11 reads "Indeed, the
> land turns round as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of
> riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer." In other words, this is a
> "wheel of fate" image,self.
>
> "Apparently the shaking returned again and again, and the country was
> reduced
> to ruins, the state went into sudden decline, and life became unbearable."
>
> Apparently no such thing. Let's look at the context of two of the sentences
> he grabs out of the text in the above quote. Papyrus 2:11 reads "Indeed, the
> land turns round as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of
> riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer." In other words, this is a
> "wheel of fate" image,self.
>
> "Apparently the shaking returned again and again, and the country was
> reduced
> to ruins, the state went into sudden decline, and life became unbearable."
>
> Apparently no such thing. Let's look at the context of two of the sentences
> he grabs out of the text in the above quote. Papyrus 2:11 reads "Indeed, the
> land turns round as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of
> riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer." In other words, this is a
> "wheel of fate" image,self.
>
> "Apparently the shaking returned again and again, and the country was
> reduced
> to ruins, the state went into sudden decline, and life became unbearable."
>
> Apparently no such thing. Let's look at the context of two of the sentences
> he grabs out of the text in the above quote. Papyrus 2:11 reads "Indeed, the
> land turns round as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of
> riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer." In other words, this is a
> "wheel of fate" image,t sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the
> captive that was in the dungeon.
>
> PAPYRUS 4:3, also 5:6 Forsooth, the children of princes are
> dashed against the walls.
> 6:12 Forsooth, the children of princes are cast out in the
> streets.
>
> The sight of the children of princes smashed on the pavement of the dark
> streets, injured and dead amid the ruins, moved the heart of the Egyptian
> eyewitnesses. No one saw the agony in the dungeon, a pit in the ground
> where prisoners were lot sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the
> captive that was in the dungeon.
>
> PAPYRUS 4:3, also 5:6 Forsooth, the children of princes are
> dashed against the walls.
> 6:12 Forsooth, the children of princes are cast out in the
> streets.
>
> The sight of the children of princes smashed on the pavement of the dark
> streets, injured and dead amid the ruins, moved the heart of the Egyptian
> eyewitnesses. No one saw the agony in the dungeon, a pit in the ground
> where prisoners were lot sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the
> captive that was in the dungeon.
>
> PAPYRUS 4:3, also 5:6 Forsooth, the children of princes are
> dashed against the walls.
> 6:12 Forsooth, the children of princes are cast out in the
> streets.
>
> The sight of the children of princes smashed on the pavement of the dark
> streets, injured and dead amid the ruins, moved the heart of the Egyptian
> eyewitnesses. No one saw the agony in the dungeon, a pit in the ground
> where prisoners were lot sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the
> captive that was in the dungeon.
>
> PAPYRUS 4:3, also 5:6 Forsooth, the children of princes are
> dashed against the walls.
> 6:12 Forsooth, the children of princes are cast out in the
> streets.
>
> The sight of the children of princes smashed on the pavement of the dark
> streets, injured and dead amid the ruins, moved the heart of the Egyptian
> eyewitnesses. No one saw the agony in the dungeon, a pit in the ground
> where prisoners were lofamine is a
> failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land. Page 211-212
> "Indeed, the plunderer [...] everywhere, and the servant takes what he
> finds. Indeed, the Nile overflows, yet none plow for it. Everyone says: 'We
> do not know what will happen throughout the land.'"
>
> I invite anyone who cares to to read the translation of the papyrus, Exodus,
> and chapter one of AGES IN CHAOS for themselves if they still have any
> doubts as to Velikovsky's use of fantasy to force the Ipuwefamine is a
> failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land. Page 211-212
> "Indeed, the plunderer [...] everywhere, and the servant takes what he
> finds. Indeed, the Nile overflows, yet none plow for it. Everyone says: 'We
> do not know what will happen throughout the land.'"
>
> I invite anyone who cares to to read the translation of the papyrus, Exodus,
> and chapter one of AGES IN CHAOS for themselves if they still have any
> doubts as to Velikovsky's use of fantasy to force the Ipuwefamine is a
> failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land. Page 211-212
> "Indeed, the plunderer [...] everywhere, and the servant takes what he
> finds. Indeed, the Nile overflows, yet none plow for it. Everyone says: 'We
> do not know what will happen throughout the land.'"
>
> I invite anyone who cares to to read the translation of the papyrus, Exodus,
> and chapter one of AGES IN CHAOS for themselves if they still have any
> doubts as to Velikovsky's use of fantasy to force the Ipuwefamine is a
> failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land. Page 211-212
> "Indeed, the plunderer [...] everywhere, and the servant takes what he
> finds. Indeed, the Nile overflows, yet none plow for it. Everyone says: 'We
> do not know what will happen throughout the land.'"
>
> I invite anyone who cares to to read the translation of the papyrus, Exodus,
> and chapter one of AGES IN CHAOS for themselves if they still have any
> doubts as to Velikovsky's use of fantasy to force the Ipuwell
> would give tentative support to the plesiosaur theory, but newspapers around
> the world adopted it with enthusiasm. However, in addition to the photos
> and drawings there were the tissue samples. These were subjected to a
> variety of tests--which indicated that the chemical structure of the tissue
> was identical to that of a shark.
>
> The shark identification should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar
> with the history of sea monsters. On many other occasions the decayed body
ll
> would give tentative support to the plesiosaur theory, but newspapers around
> the world adopted it with enthusiasm. However, in addition to the photos
> and drawings there were the tissue samples. These were subjected to a
> variety of tests--which indicated that the chemical structure of the tissue
> was identical to that of a shark.
>
> The shark identification should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar
> with the history of sea monsters. On many other occasions the decayed body
ll
> would give tentative support to the plesiosaur theory, but newspapers around
> the world adopted it with enthusiasm. However, in addition to the photos
> and drawings there were the tissue samples. These were subjected to a
> variety of tests--which indicated that the chemical structure of the tissue
> was identical to that of a shark.
>
> The shark identification should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar
> with the history of sea monsters. On many other occasions the decayed body
ll
> would give tentative support to the plesiosaur theory, but newspapers around
> the world adopted it with enthusiasm. However, in addition to the photos
> and drawings there were the tissue samples. These were subjected to a
> variety of tests--which indicated that the chemical structure of the tissue
> was identical to that of a shark.
>
> The shark identification should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar
> with the history of sea monsters. On many other occasions the decayed body
s of the ICR withdrew his book
on the subject. Here are extracts from a post I saved from talk.origins on
the subject:
> From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
> Subject: Re: The Dinosaur Tracks (was K e n and his T h e o r y)
> Date: 21 Mar 92 04:02:16 GMT
> A special on Nova showed the tracks to everyone - the "human" tracks
> had three toes and the uneroded tracks showed webbing.
>
> Here's what Dr. James Kennedy had to say on the James Ankerberg show
> in the fall of 1987. The taps of the ICR withdrew his book
on the subject. Here are extracts from a post I saved from talk.origins on
the subject:
> From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
> Subject: Re: The Dinosaur Tracks (was K e n and his T h e o r y)
> Date: 21 Mar 92 04:02:16 GMT
> A special on Nova showed the tracks to everyone - the "human" tracks
> had three toes and the uneroded tracks showed webbing.
>
> Here's what Dr. James Kennedy had to say on the James Ankerberg show
> in the fall of 1987. The taps of the ICR withdrew his book
on the subject. Here are extracts from a post I saved from talk.origins on
the subject:
> From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
> Subject: Re: The Dinosaur Tracks (was K e n and his T h e o r y)
> Date: 21 Mar 92 04:02:16 GMT
> A special on Nova showed the tracks to everyone - the "human" tracks
> had three toes and the uneroded tracks showed webbing.
>
> Here's what Dr. James Kennedy had to say on the James Ankerberg show
> in the fall of 1987. The taps of the ICR withdrew his book
on the subject. Here are extracts from a post I saved from talk.origins on
the subject:
> From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
> Subject: Re: The Dinosaur Tracks (was K e n and his T h e o r y)
> Date: 21 Mar 92 04:02:16 GMT
> A special on Nova showed the tracks to everyone - the "human" tracks
> had three toes and the uneroded tracks showed webbing.
>
> Here's what Dr. James Kennedy had to say on the James Ankerberg show
> in the fall of 1987. The tapcked hat."
>
> Okay, as you've guessed, Kennedy is full of shit here. The Paluxy
> River tracks were one of the most popular of creationist claims.
> However, Milne and Schafersman refuted it in 1983, Cole and Godfrey
> did so in 1985, and Godfrey and Cole again in 1986. (Keep in mind
> that Kennedy is claiming this in late 1987). First, the Paluxy
> tracks which are from the Lower Cretaceous, are not even
> Tyrannosaurus. T. Rex is found only in the Upper Cretaceous.
> Apparently it was the ocked hat."
>
> Okay, as you've guessed, Kennedy is full of shit here. The Paluxy
> River tracks were one of the most popular of creationist claims.
> However, Milne and Schafersman refuted it in 1983, Cole and Godfrey
> did so in 1985, and Godfrey and Cole again in 1986. (Keep in mind
> that Kennedy is claiming this in late 1987). First, the Paluxy
> tracks which are from the Lower Cretaceous, are not even
> Tyrannosaurus. T. Rex is found only in the Upper Cretaceous.
> Apparently it was the ocked hat."
>
> Okay, as you've guessed, Kennedy is full of shit here. The Paluxy
> River tracks were one of the most popular of creationist claims.
> However, Milne and Schafersman refuted it in 1983, Cole and Godfrey
> did so in 1985, and Godfrey and Cole again in 1986. (Keep in mind
> that Kennedy is claiming this in late 1987). First, the Paluxy
> tracks which are from the Lower Cretaceous, are not even
> Tyrannosaurus. T. Rex is found only in the Upper Cretaceous.
> Apparently it was the ocked hat."
>
> Okay, as you've guessed, Kennedy is full of shit here. The Paluxy
> River tracks were one of the most popular of creationist claims.
> However, Milne and Schafersman refuted it in 1983, Cole and Godfrey
> did so in 1985, and Godfrey and Cole again in 1986. (Keep in mind
> that Kennedy is claiming this in late 1987). First, the Paluxy
> tracks which are from the Lower Cretaceous, are not even
> Tyrannosaurus. T. Rex is found only in the Upper Cretaceous.
> Apparently it was the onst evolution."
>
>
> The whole affair gives the creationist movement in a nutshell. A
> previously unheard of nine-foot species of man with two narrow feet is
> the "obvious" explaination. Fakery in the film, which was then widely
> circulated. Numerous scientific findings regarding the prints from
> 1981 to 1986 completely ignored, no interest in newly appeared color
> distinctions, and retreating from the claim only when they looked like
> complete fools. Kennedy's promotion of the Paluxy frnst evolution."
>
>
> The whole affair gives the creationist movement in a nutshell. A
> previously unheard of nine-foot species of man with two narrow feet is
> the "obvious" explaination. Fakery in the film, which was then widely
> circulated. Numerous scientific findings regarding the prints from
> 1981 to 1986 completely ignored, no interest in newly appeared color
> distinctions, and retreating from the claim only when they looked like
> complete fools. Kennedy's promotion of the Paluxy frnst evolution."
>
>
> The whole affair gives the creationist movement in a nutshell. A
> previously unheard of nine-foot species of man with two narrow feet is
> the "obvious" explaination. Fakery in the film, which was then widely
> circulated. Numerous scientific findings regarding the prints from
> 1981 to 1986 completely ignored, no interest in newly appeared color
> distinctions, and retreating from the claim only when they looked like
> complete fools. Kennedy's promotion of the Paluxy frnst evolution."
>
>
> The whole affair gives the creationist movement in a nutshell. A
> previously unheard of nine-foot species of man with two narrow feet is
> the "obvious" explaination. Fakery in the film, which was then widely
> circulated. Numerous scientific findings regarding the prints from
> 1981 to 1986 completely ignored, no interest in newly appeared color
> distinctions, and retreating from the claim only when they looked like
> complete fools. Kennedy's promotion of the Paluxy frs he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Note that the word used is circle. A 2-D object. *NOT* a sphere. This is
further emphasized by the second part of the passage. A tent is an object
one spreads over part of a surface to enclose that part, not something you
put around a sphere hanging in space. Nothing like those staunch defenders
of literal Bis he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Note that the word used is circle. A 2-D object. *NOT* a sphere. This is
further emphasized by the second part of the passage. A tent is an object
one spreads over part of a surface to enclose that part, not something you
put around a sphere hanging in space. Nothing like those staunch defenders
of literal Bis he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Note that the word used is circle. A 2-D object. *NOT* a sphere. This is
further emphasized by the second part of the passage. A tent is an object
one spreads over part of a surface to enclose that part, not something you
put around a sphere hanging in space. Nothing like those staunch defenders
of literal Bis he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Note that the word used is circle. A 2-D object. *NOT* a sphere. This is
further emphasized by the second part of the passage. A tent is an object
one spreads over part of a surface to enclose that part, not something you
put around a sphere hanging in space. Nothing like those staunch defenders
of literal Bi let you read it outloud as a
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