The following interview took place on Thursday, May 26th at 10PM, live on ParaNet Alpha. T
The following interview took place on Thursday, May 26th at 10PM, live on ParaNet Alpha. The interviewer (lower case) was Jim Speiser; the abductee (CAPS) was Christopher Young of San Francisco.--------------
OK, we're live, and you are Christopher Young of San Francisco, and you were
FIRST I BELIEVE WHEN I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD
I take it you don't have conscious recall of that particular experience, or do
I RECALL THAT SOMETHING UNUSUAL HAPPENED WHEN I WAS IN THE MOUNTAINS ON AN
OUTING WITH MY PARENTS AND THE GIRL SCOUT TROOP THAT MY MOTHER WAS LEADER OF.
I REMEMBER THE DAY
But that wasn't the experience that actually led you to seek help in finding
out whether or not you were an abductee, right?
THAT IS CORRECT
Can you tell me about the one that made you think you had experienced something
YES,IT WAS WHEN I WAS TWENTY .I WAS LIVING IN JAMESTOWN CA. AT THE TIME WITH
THREE OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE IN AN OLD HOUSE OUTSIDE OF TOWN. ONE NIGHT I RETURNED
TO MY BEDROOM AFTER GETTING UP TO USE THE BATHROOM .I TURNED OFF THE LIGHT ,GOT
IN MY BED AND LAID ON MY LEFT SIDE. AS SOON AS I LAYED DOWN I "KNEW" THERE WAS
SOMETHING IN THE ROOM WITH ME.I COULD "FEEL" IT THINKING.I IMMEDIATLEY BECAME
AWARE OF SOMETHING MOVING TO ME FROM ACROSS THE ROOM AND IT STOOD ON THE FOAM
PAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE AND MADE A DEPRESSION THERE THAT MY HANDS WHICH
WERE UP BY MY FACE STARTED TO ROLL INTO.THEN SUDDENLY THERE WAS A WEIGHT ON TOP
OF MY BODY THAT PUSHED ME DOWN THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF MY PAD IN TO THE FLOOR
AND HELD ME THERE PARALYZED.THERE ALSO WAS A LOUD SOUND IN MY UPTURNED RIGHT
EAR WHICH SOUNDED AS THOUGH SOMETHING WHERE YELLING OR SHOUTING OR EXHALING
RIGHT AGAINEST MY EAR. IT WAS ONE LONG SOUND THOUGH THERE WAS NO VARIATION IN
TIMBRE ,FREQEUNCY OR PITCH AND IT CONTINUED FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I COULD
Do you recall this part of the event without hypnosis?
YES MOST DEFINITELY!!!! I DIDN'T SLEEP FOR A YEAR OR TWO AFTERWARDS WITHOUT A
LIGHT ON IN MY ROOM OR A LIGHT SHINING INTO MY ROOM FROM ANOTHER
And that was the end of that part of the experience, that you recall
consciously or was there more to it?
THERE WAS MORE.A FEW DAYS BEFORE I MOVED OUT OF THAT PLACE IN FEAR OF WHATEVER
IT WAS THAT HAD HAPPENED ,I WAS WATCHING T.V. IN THE LIVING ROOM IN BROAD DAY
LIGHT WHEN I FELT AS IF SOMETHING WERE TOUCHING THE INSIDES OF MY THIGHS , LIKE
THERE WAS SOMETHING INVISIBLE THERE TRYING TO PUSH THEM APART. I NOW DO NOT
BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME TIME THERE AT THE MOMENT BUT THAT IT WAS A
STRONG SUBLIMINAL MEMORY OF HAVING BEEN TOUCHED THERE. ALSO WHEN I WAS MOVING
BACK DOWN TO COLLEGE I HAD A SIMILAR SENSATION ACROSS MY UPPER ABDOMEN WHILE I
WAS DRIVING A CAR.
How old are you now?
32 YRS OLD
When it first happened to you (in your bed), what did you think had happened?
WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING I THOUGHT FIRST THAT THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE ,THIS CAN'T BE
HAPPENING,ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.THE NEXT THING I THOUGHT
WAS THAT I WAS DEAD MEAT TO WHATEVER WAS HOLDING ME DOWN.I STRUGGLED TO MOVE
BUT THERE WAS NO MOTOR COORDINATION AT ALL! I WAS SO TERRIFIED AT THIS THAT I
FELT AS IF I WERE BEGINNING TO LEAVE MY BODY INVOLUNTARILY TO ESCAPE THE
EXPERIANCE ,THIS SCARED ME EVEN MORE SO I FOCUSED ON ONE WORD, THE WORD"NO" AND
KEPT REPEATING IT IN HOPES IT WOULD STOP.WHEN IT DID STOP I MOVED IMMEDIATELY
,ACTUALLY JUMPED UP FROM BED AND TURNED ON THE LIGHT. IT WAS FIVE MINUTES AFTER
3 AM. WHEN I HAD LAYED DOWN IT WAS JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT.BUT PLS BELIEVE ME THIS
WAS NO "DREAM" I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY CONCIOUS MEMORY OF ANY THING LIKE THIS OR
THE WAY IT MADE ME FEEL BEFORE OR SINCE. AT THE TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS PERHAPS A
"GHOST?'" OR POLTERGEIST?" I HAD NO EXPLANATION FOR IT ALTHOUGH SOMETHING
STRANGE DID HAPPEN AT THE HOUSE A FEW WEEKS EARLIER THAT WE ALL ATRIBUTED TO A
My girlfriend often has the experience (and I have had it once or twice myself)
of just drifting off to sleep when she feels as if something is pushing on her
and she tries to move and scream and can't do either one...then she has the
sensation of trying to "wake up" and its a physical ordeal...she also feels as
if she's being smothered...this is actually a common experience, some call it
"being ridden by the old hag." I don't suppose there's any possibility that
that could be an answer to that experience (also called a hypnopompic dream)?
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS ,WAS ONE OF THOSE. IT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS STILL
QUITE AWARE,THE FEELING OF "KNOWING"THERE WAS A PRESENCE IN THE ROOM WITH ME
THAT IT WAS PHYSICALLY STANDING NEXT TO MY FACE AND MADE A DEPPRESSION ON MY
FOAM PAD DOWN TO THE FLOOR AND THE FACT THAT IT DIDN'T FEEL AS IF I WERE JUST
UNABLE TO MOVE BUT BEING PhYSICALLY PUSHED,HARD,DOWN THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF MY
BED INTO THE FLOOR SO HARD IT KNOCKED THE AIR OUT OF ME!
What made you finally seek help or answers?
THIS WASN'T THE END OF MY EXPERIANCE . IT FOLLOWED ME TO WHERE I MOVED AND TEN
MONTHS LATER I HAD A U.F.O. SIGHTING OVER MODESTO,CAL. AT VERY CLOSE RANGE
WHICH BY THE WAY I DIDN'T ASSOCIATE WITH MY PRIOR EXPERIANCES.THERE WAS ALSO A
VIVID "DREAM" I HAD WHERE SOMETHING HAD GONE INTO MY CONCIOUSNESS MADE ME FEEL
EUPHORIC AND MADE MY LIFE PASS BEFORE MY EYES WHILE THEY RE-EXPERIANCED IT WITH
ME AS IF THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING(THIS WAS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH A
SIGHTING IN THE DREAM.THEY ALSO DID SOMETHING TO THE BACK OF MY HEAD.
THE MEMORY OF THESE THINGS PERSISTED IN BOTHERING ME FOR YEARS.AT THE TIME I
MOVED AWAY FROM RURAL AREAS THINKING THAT THESE THINGS WOULD STOP.I DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT WAS HAPPING TO ME. I BEGAN HAVING PANIC ATTAKS AFTER THE ONE EXPERIANCE IN
JAMESTOWN AND I HAD NEVER HAD THEM BEFORE .ALL OF THIS WAS QUITE UNSETTLING AND
I COULD'NT FIGURE OUT WHY WHEN I WAS HAVING ONE ON THE BEST TIMES OF MY LIFE
THAT SOMETHING SO STRANGE WOULD START PLAGUING ME.MOVING TO S.F. SEEMED TO
DO THE TRICK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS .I DIDN'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS
EVERYDAY I FOUND PLENTY TO DISTRACT MYSELF,HOWEVER THEY RE EMERGED AND I
STARTED HAVING A STRONG FEELING THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT
THESE THINGS AND WAS COMPELLED TO EXAMINE THEM FURTHER I STILL DID NOT REALLY
RE-LATE THESE THINGS TOGETHER BUT THEY SEEMED LIKE UN-CORRELATED EVENTS.I GOT
IN TOUCH WITH M.U.F.O.N. AND REPORTED MY SIGHTING TO DR.HAINES BACK IN 81 I
THINK AND ALSO TOLD HIM OF THESE OTHER STRANGE EVENTS ,I DON'T KNOW WHY I EVEN
RELAYED THEM TO HIM AT THE SAME TIME BUT IN FELT SOME HOW AS IF THEY WERE
IMPORTANT.HE LISTENED UT DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME WHAT TO MAKE F ANY OF THEM
BUT THE SIGHTING WHICH HE TOLD ME THAT TWO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COAST SAW THE
SAME OBJECT DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD.I DIDN'T GET ANY ANSWERS AT THE TIME
AND WENT AWAY FEELING REALLY WEIRD.
How would you rate your "UFO IQ" at the time? How aware were you of the subject
in general and of abductions in particular, and had you seen the movie
"Interrupted Journey" about the Betty and Barney Hill incident?
Did Dr. Haines recommend you to any other researchers?
NO,UNFORTUNATLEY ,I DON'T THINK AT THE TIME HE WAS INVOLVED AS MUCH IN
ABDUCTIONS AS HE SEEMS TO BE NOW
Since then, you have been hypnotically regressed, right?
BY KATHY MCCAMPBELL THE DAUGHTHER OF MR. JAMES MCCAMPBELL
And what came out of those sessions that you did not know before?
WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO BEGIN?
Well, from the first experience you had when you were small, but just kind of
basic overview of events, if you could...
JUST THE FACTS ,MAM. O.K. I DO GO ON. I WAS WITH THE GROUP OF GIRLS AND THEN I
REMEMBER BEING AWAY FROM THEM,THEN I BECAME VERY DIZZY,I REMEMBER BEING CARRIED
THEN SEEING SOMETHING COME DOWN FROM ABOVE THE TREE LINE.IWAS HANDED UP INTO
SOMETHING(IT WAS ON THE GROUND)IT LOOKED ROUND AND SILVER KIND OF LIKE A DIVING
BELL AND WAS NOT THAT LARGE.I OPENED MY EYES,THERE WERE THREE OF THEM ON EITHER
SIDE OF ME LOOKING DOWN AT ME.THE NEXT THING I KNOW IS THAT I'M SITTING UP BUT
I AM LEANING AGAINEST ON EOF THEM WHO IS AT MY SIDE.HE IS HOLDING SOMETHING ON
TOP AND AT THE BACK OF MY HEAD
Can you describe them, real quick?
THEY WERE SMALL,ABOUT THE SIZE I WAS.THEIR HEADS WERE QUITE LARGE COMPARED TO
THEIR BODIES.THE HEAD WAS ROUND (NOT LIKE PICTURES I HAVE SEEN) ALMOST LIKE A
COMPRESSED EGG SHAPE ,THE EYES WERE QUITE LARGE AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE
SOMETHING OF AN IRIS OR IRIS LIKE AT THE BOTTOM INSIDE THEIR EYES WHICH IS
LARGE AND FEATHERY NOT TIGHT LIKE OURS,THEY SEEM TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BONEY
PROTRUSION FROM THEIR FOREHEAD AT EYEBROW LEVEL THEY WERE VERY THIN AND
NOT SURE ,SOME SORT OF NEUTRAL COLOR ,GRAYISH -BEIGE
Were you afraid of them?
I WAS AT FIRST SORT OF IN SHOCK I GUESS BUT I THINK THAT I WAS LESS AFRAID OF
THEM DURING THIS EXEPERIANCE THAN THE ONES WHEN I WAS OLDER.I GOT UP AND RAN
AROUND INSIDE THIS PLACE AND WENT INTO ANOTHER ROOM AND THEY RAN AFTER ME AND
PULLED ME BACK INTO THE EXAM ROOM
Any other details about the exam room you can remember?
SURE LOTS AND ALSO WHAT THEY DID TO ME. THE ENTIRE PLACE SEEMED TO BE BLACK AND
SHINEY LIKE GUN METAL AND EVERYTHING WAS MADE OUT OF IT,EVEN SOME OF THE
INSTRUMENTS THEY USED ON ME
What did they do to you?
THE FIRST ONE PUT SOME OBJECT ON THE TOP AND BACK OF MY HEAD THAT WAS ROUND AND
FLAT AND SEEMED SORT OF SOFT ,IT WAS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A "YAMIKA" I GUESS BUT
IT WAS MADE OF THIS BLACK METAL STUFF AND WAS ABOUT A 1/4-1/2 INCH THICK.IT
TOOK IT OFF AND WALKED OVER AND SHOWED IT TO THE OTHERS,ONE CAME OVER TO ME AND
PUT A SMALL ROUND BLACK METAL AGAIN,OBJECT THAT FIT IN THE PALM OF MY HAND INTO
MY LEFT HAND AND HE BACKED UP AS I WAS SURROUNDEE BY A LIGHT WHICH ORIGINATED
FROM ABOVE NY HEAD,THEY THEN HAD ME LAY DOWN ON THIS TABLE WHOSE EDGE I WAS
SITTING ON AND A LARGE FLAT SURFACE(BLACK METAL) CAME DOWN FROM ABOVE ME AND
SLOWLY I BEGAN TO SEE INTENSE COLORS IN THE SURFACE THAT SEEMED TO BE LIKE NEON
COMING THROUGH DARK GLASS AND THESE COLORS UNDULATED.THEN ONE CAME OVER AND
INTRODUCED HIMSELF AFTER THEY TALKED FOR A MINUTE.HE DIDN'T SAY WHAT HIS OR
THEIR NAMES WERE BUT MERELY STATED THAT "WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE YOU NOW"THIS I
THOUGHT UNDER HYPNOSIS WAS SORT OF REDUNDENT.I GOT AWAY FROM THESE ONES AND RAN
INTO ANOTHER ROOM THAT HAD A ROUND WALL A CHAIRS OR SEATS RATHER FACING A PANEL
WHICH EXTENDED OFF THE WALL I STUCK MY HEAD IN BETWEEN TWO OF THE SEATS AND SAW
THAT THERE WERE WHAT "APPEARED " TO BE OPEN BOOKS IN FRONT OF THEM AND THERE
WERE BEINGS IN THE SEATS ON EITHER SIDE OF ME WHO TURNED AND LOOKED AT ME.AT
THAT MOMENT THE ONES WHO HAD BEEN EXAMINING ME GRABBED ME BY MY RIGHT SHOULDER
AND CALF AND STARTED TO PULL ME BACK AWAY INTO THE OTHER ROOM.ONE PUT IT'S FACE
RIGHT UP AGAINEST MINE AND ASKED IF I WERE A BOY,(SOME FRIENDS OF MINE SAY WELL
IF THEIR INTELLIGENT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK )ANY WAY THEY PUT ME BACK UP ON
THE TABLE WITHOUT MY CLOTHES AND EXAMINED MY GENITALIA RATHER CLOSELY BUT THIS
WAS NOT SEXUALL,THE LAST THING I REMEMBER THEM DOING IS THEN PUTTING SOME SORT
OF METALLIC COVER WHICH FITTED TO THE TABLE AND COVERED MY FEET AND ANKLES THEN
THEY BROUGHT ANOTHER PIECE WHICH COVERED MY CALFS AND KNEES AND SO ON AND SO ON
UNTIL I WAS COMPLETELY COVERED THEM I CAME OUT OF TRANCE SPONTAENIOUSLY AND
COULDN'T SHAKE THIS SCARY FEELING FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS
Its getting late, but I want to ask you one more question...Budd says he;s writing a book called "Aftermath"...what was the aftermath of your entire experience for you, and what does the experience mean to you?
IT HAS CHANGED THE WAY I LOOK AT THE WORLD FOR ONE,SINCE REALIZING WHAT I NOW
BELIEVE TO BE THE TRUTH OF MY EXPERIANCES(AND I DON'T EXPECT THAT EVERYONE
SHOULD JUST ACCECPT ALL THIS )BUT I KNOW WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME TO REMEMBER
THIS NOW.I FEEL AS IF A GREAT LOAD HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF MY SHOULDERS,I HAVE
BECOME MUCH MORE CENTERED,I HAVE RECENTLY LOST 55 LBS AND NOW WORK OUT AGAIN .
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT OVER ,THAT IT IS AN EVOLVING PROCESS IN MY
CONCIOUSNESS AND THAT MORE IS COMING SOON,WHAT I AM NOT SURE BUT I TELL YOU ONE
THING SINCE I HAVE COME OUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TELL
ME WHAT IT IS AND I DON'T BUY MUCH OF IT!
Do you agree with Whitley Strieber's stance that it MIGHT be real aliens, then
again it might be something different altogether?
IT'S POSSIBLE,I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THEM EVER
TELLING ME,THIS EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL THING IS INTERESTING ALTHOUGH I DON'T SEE
HOW BEING EXTRA-DIM. AND EXTRA-TERRS. HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
My main objective was to use this as a starting point for discussion on our
board, as obviously we can't cover everything in your experience online. I
think we've got a lot to go on, and I hope you'll be able to answer some
questions from some of the other ParaNet users. Thanks a lot for your time!
THANK YOU,I ENJOY SHARING WITH THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED
And believe me, we are interested.
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