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[Koresh 3-02-93]
My name is Dave Koresh. I'm Speaking to you from Mount Carmel
center. The first thing that I would like to introduce, in our
subject, is the reasons for the revelation of Jesus Christ. In
the Book of Revelation, commentary states, that what John has
written in Scripture, is nothing other than the revelation of
Jesus Christ which God gave to him, to show to his servants
things which must shortly come to pass. And he sent and signified
it, signified it, by his angel unto his servant John.
Now, John bear the record of God, and the word of Christ, and of
all things that he saw. In the first chapter of Revelation it
says, "Blessed is the man, blessed is he that readeth, and they
that hear the words of this prophecy, and those who `keep' the
things that are written therein, for the time is at hand."
The Scripture states John writes this of the seven churches which
are in Asia: Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia,
Laodicea, so forth. Naturally, we must understand that we're not
in Asia. These churches once existed long ago, being
beneficiaries of the power and the gifts of the gospel. It was
originally introduced by The Man himself. Some knew him as Jesus
Christ; others knew him by the name Yeshua.
What we're trying to present today may in somewise shed a better
light in regards to my situation and my predicament here at Mount
Carmel. One point I'd like to bring out before we continue, is
that if we take a look at Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, we see
the burden of these ancient writers: the burden of heart, the
burden of mind and spirit, to put in a scriptural record, their
personal experience with Christ. A record that is to be received
by men, all men, who will receive it.
The point is true that not all have seen Christ, but it has been
in the wisdom of God that certain men who were witnesses of his
life, and death, and resurrection, that they would bear witness
by the written word, and testify to the generations to come, of
the terrible happening that took place, when the men of that
generation would not believe in the man who through so many
obvious evidences -- proved beyond shadows of doubt, that he was
the Son of God.
But sad to say, if we take a look of the record of John, the
gospel writer of John, say Chapter 7, we see in Scripture John
writes that after certain events, after these things, Jesus
walked in Galilee; he would not walk openly, he would not walk in
Jewry, he would not walk amongst the Jews, because the Jews
sought to kill him.
We might wonder why? Wasn't Christ a such a good man? Now the
Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was at hand. His brethren therefore
said unto him, "depart hence and go into Judea that thy disciples
also may see thy works that thou doeth. For there is no man that
doeth anything in secret and he himself seeketh to be known
openly. If thou do these things, show thyself to the world." For
neither did his brethren believe in him.
Strange statement, isn't it? It's funny how that the men live and
had to deal with the realities of life. That even a man like
Christ can have to meet with unbelief even from his own brethren.
Then Jesus said unto them, "My time is not yet come, but your
time is always ready." And I'm sure most of all bible students
will agree the time referred to, is the time of his crucifixion.
They wanted to kill him, and he didn't want to show himself
openly. Then Jesus said unto them, (Verse 7)... ,
"The world can not hate you, but me it hateth, because I testify
of it, that the works there are evil. Go ye up into this feast. I
go not yet up into this feast, for my time is not yet full come."
When he said these words to them while he abode still in Galilee.
But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up into the
feast, not openly, but as it were, in secret. You would wonder
why a man like Christ would have something to hide. I mean
surely, the angels would protect him, obviously. A person would
think a lot of things about this strange character, and
disposition of character.
But we're sure -- being Christians -- that Christ knew what he
was doing. And the Jews saw him at the feast and said, "Where is
he?" And there was much murmuring among the people concerning
him, but some said, "He is a good man." Others said, "Nay, but he
deceiveth the people." Howbeit no man spake openly of him for
fear of the Jews.
Now we understand the Jews at that time had their own
religious-political network, didn't they? They were pretty strong
in the religious spectrum, although they had no actual political
power. They were subject to the Roman government, and not to the
Roman [Jewish?] judicial/levitical laws.
Now about the vista of the feast. Jesus went up to the temple and
taught. The Jews marvelled saying, "How knoweth this man letters,
having never learned?" Now in the days of Israel, most scholars
and teachers will agree, that the schools of Israel, ordained by
the Sanhedrin, and also the Pharisees, were schools similar to
the uh... ones of our own theological schools of today.
Of which the careful student of Scripture observes, that nowhere
is it written in the gospel that Christ ever attended these
schools. But at the age of 12, he did enter into the temple, and
had a most unique and interesting discussion with the religious
leaders, of which they were quite amazed that such a young lad's
knowledge of Scripture.
Now this man was teaching something -- no doubt. (Christ that is)
that inspired the people to say, (you know), "how knoweth this
man (you know) letters having never learned?" They marveled.
Jesus answered them and says, "My doctrine is not mine, but his
that sent me." Now, what does that mean? "My doctrine is not
mine, but his that sent me." "If any man will do the will, do his
will, he shall know the doctrine, whether it be of God, or
whether I speak of myself."
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Now friends, people that love the Lord, this is where we begin to
uhh... talk about some serious things.
I'm sure you're all aware of how.. how I'm involved in a very
serious thing right now, and I'm sure that a lot of you realize
that I should be possibly scared... concerned. There's women,
children and men involved in our situation here at Mount Carmel.
But I am really concerned about the lives of my brethren here,
and also would be concerned even greater, about the lives of all
those in this world.
You know, without Christ, without Jesus, we have no hope. Why?
Well, because we know that the standard of God's righteousness is
law, a law of the Ten Commandments, a law of statutes and
judgments. And which God gave unto Moses on Sinai saying, "This
is thy righteousness O Israel."
But you know, God also gave another law. A law revolving around a
system of shedding a poor and innocent lamb's blood. So that all
who would break the Law of God, who would seek God for
forgiveness and pardon, had to bring a lamb, something innocent,
and slay it -- although, Israel themselves never really knew the
real meaning of this. Nonetheless, they were commanded to do it.
Also there were other sacrifices such as: turtle-doves, goats,
oxen, red heifers.
But, it was a very sophisticated and very prolific type system of
worship. Of course, God had to give these people their own
country. He had to give them blessings and things, to be able to
perform these rituals. And naturally of course having to slay a
lamb for your sins, (or such sacrifices), it would definitely
keep a man on guard not to sin too much, because otherwise he
could lose the livestock pretty quick, couldn't he?
Well anyway, "thanks be unto God," from as far back as
Deuteronomy 32, all the way through to Malachi, there has been
other writings, writings of the prophets. Writings who do not
usurp the authority of Moses, but actually exalt The Law of
Moses. But yet there's an additional testimony. For the same God
of Heaven -- Who's rich in mercy -- has not only given to men a
law, but also a way of escape, for those repentant souls who
might fall short of the glory of God's law. Which some scholars
will agree, that the glory of God's law is that it's a divine
precept of His own character. God's character is revealed in the
law.
Now, Christ is the only hope for a world that sins. Now, how do
we know? Well -- The Prophets -- have prophesied? But what if
we're not familiar with the prophets? Well, were the Jews
familiar with the prophets when this Word-of-God was made flesh?
When Mary, The Virgin, had a baby boy, did everyone believe that
she was really a virgin when Christ was conceived?
If we search the Scriptures, we'll find in certain arguments the
Pharisees confronted Christ -- and said to him, "We be not sons
born of fornication." So obviously, not everyone believed that he
was a child of a virgin birth. If they hadn't looked back to
Isaiah chapter 8, and learned the mystery of Immanuel -- that a
virgin would conceive and bear a son -- then they might not
really put too much ahhm... [con]sistency into the fact that
Christ at that day claimed to be born of a virgin. I mean, if
Isaiah the prophet was a false prophet, well then naturally they
would conclude that anyone claiming to have these things
fulfilled would be false, too.
But of course, Christ, he did something more than to just fulfill
prophecy. He did miracles. Miracles of mercy such as: healing the
sick, feeding the hungry, raising the dead. And if we study we'll
see that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gives us in somewhat a full
view of the oppositions, (and also the confidements), that he had
in doing these miracles. He gathered many unto him through the
means of these miracles.
But sad to say, even though he had done so many miracles,
Scripture says, yet when it came right down to it, they did not
believe in him. It's amazing to think that even his own disciples
forsook him -- except Mary Magdalene. She stayed with him to the
very end, didn't she? Last to leave The Cross, first to come to
the sepulchre.
Now, we need to sit here and we need to ask ourselves the
question. How come the men of that generation did not believe in
Christ? In Matthew 23, Christ had to say to the Jews, "O
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how often I would have gathered you, but
you would not." Why? He tells them that they have forsaken The
Prophets. "Thou that killest the prophets, how often I would have
gathered you." How does the subject of gathering Israel, and the
prophets, combine together?
Then he tells them that their houses, their temple, is left to
them desolate. And that in Matthew 24, as Christ said on the
Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him secretively to ask him
concerning these things. What should be the sign of thy coming,
and of the end of the world? Well, Christ begins to tell them,
"Let no man deceive you, for many shall come in my name, saying I
am Christ, and shall deceive many."
A lot of bible students think that verse refers to the people
coming, and saying that they themselves are Christ. Well
naturally, if someone came claiming to be Christ, Christ covers
that subject by saying, that "If any shall say, Lo he's in the
desert believe him not, go not forth. If he has a secret chamber,
believe him not." But he goes on to say that as lightning shines
in the east, even to the west, so also shall his coming be." He
goes on to add, "But wheresoever the carcase is, there will the
eagles be gathered together."
Now unless we knew what was on the mind of Christ, the day he sat
with his disciples on the Mount of Olives, and gave the
instruction to them according to Matthew 24; unless we could look
into his mind, we would only have to speculate, it would only be
an opinion to try to figure out what it means, "wheresoever the
carcase is, the eagles..." What carcass? Whose carcass? What
eagles? What are the eagles?
Well, Christ tells you of many signs in Matthew 24. He says,
"when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place, (Of course, it says
ye that readeth, let him understand), those who are in Judea are
supposed to flee into the mountains.
Now, what kind of points are these? What is in the mind of
Christ? Is Christ trying to tell us that we need to go back and
study the prophet Daniel, to see if maybe Daniel had some
insight, in regards to an abomination that maketh desolate? Now,
an abomination is something nobody wants, especially if it makes
us desolate. Now, what do these things mean?
Well, we learned earlier in the Book of John, Christ stated, "My
doctrine is not mine, but he who sent me." Now, we've got
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and everybody in the Christian world
who's free, to hear these men reveal Christ. The Christ they
lived with. The Christ they loved. The Christ that they didn't
understand sometimes. The Christ they had to see cruelly mocked,
and beaten, and ridiculed, and rejected, and killed.
But thanks be unto God on the cross, their Jesus stated, "Father
forgive them, for they know not what they do." And he also said,
which is the point that we're fixin' to get into quite heavily,
"Father, into thine hands, I commend my spirit."
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Taking from Psalms 31, we begin to see that Christ is quite
well-versed in the Scriptures, just like the Gospels tell us,
when he confronted the devil. Always referring against the
temptation by stating, "It is written, it is written, it is
written."
Now what is this spirit of Christ? Well, they pierced his side,
and out his side came blood and water. Again another mystery.
Which became something to do with eating his body and drinking
his blood, (some implements for The Church). But what does these
things really mean? Well, after we've read Acts and learned of
the Power on Pentecost -- the "cloven tongues of fire" that came
upon the apostles who by mercy through Christ, were given another
chance to recover from their falling.
We learned through Romans that there is a righteousness of God in
Christ, "Declare his righteousness." We learn in Corinthians 1st
& 2nd; we learn in Ephesians, Galatians, and Phillipians... Ohh!
We have such a wealth of information of such intelligent men, who
speak sometimes very deep, mystical things about a God, who is in
the form of humanity, who is the Son of God, who sits at the
right hand of God in the highest courts of the universe. Who
promises that one day He will come again.
Well, the last living Apostle, through this great controversy,
(and I might add, those who persecuted Christ), who would not
hear him no matter what sign was given, also persecuted his
disciples.
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And finally, we end up in the Book of Revelation, where John, the
last living disciple, on the isle of Patmos, being a prisoner for
the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ, (which no
doubt is a thing Jesus has to say). Which would probably be quite
controversial to the things that the Pharisees and Sanhedrin of
the day had to say, we're sure.
He, (being on this isle of Patmos a prisoner on the Lord's day),
had a vision. And it states in this vision, (we should all be
familiar with it hopefully, or get familiar with it), he has a
messenger, The Angel Lord, come to him, who identifies himself as
the Spirit. And he is told to write to the seven churches of
Asia. Of which we can see clearly in the Scriptures, that they
were given specific and direct messages from Christ. And in each
one of these messages, Christ specifically told to the churches
what he would have them to do.
{Now we know that Christ is the only man in Scripture who ever
kept The Law of God perfectly. We know that because we've heard
the writings of the apostles. But, sad to say, the religious
leaders of his days, and the majority of the populace of his
days, didn't think so. It's funny how that is. It's kind of like
people always like to build the sepulchres of the dead prophets,
and garnish their tombs, but yet they hate and kill living
prophets. Only God knows why that is.}
But nonetheless -- the church of Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyratira,
Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea -- the churches thus involved,
(for anyone to read), direct counsel given, beginning with "To
the Angel of the church of Ephesus write these things, then...
blah-blah," and what happens is this message is given. And then
the decision is up to those who profess Christ. Each counsel ends
with, "he that has an ear to hear, (`only if you want to know'),
let him hear what the Spirit sayeth unto the churches. "
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Finally, we get to the fourth chapter of Revelation, (and the
student of Scriptures becomes interested in the subject), which
according to John says, "After these things...", ( of course he
was referring to the last part of the 3rd chapter of the message
to Laodicea). He says, after these things, "I fall... and behold
a door was open into heaven. And the first voice which spake to
me as it were a of a trumpet, talked with me." Which says, "come
up hither and I will show you that which must be hereafter."
Now, the question to every true Christian is this: Is John
telling it as a truth, or is John lying to us? We know he just
gave counsels to the 7 churches of Asia, (which were alive and
hopefully in good health when he first gave these letters to
them). But nonetheless, they being of Asia are no wise the same
people of us today, or even of the oncoming years thereafter.
So the events of Chapter 4 clearly explained by John, that his
messenger as sent to him stated that he'd be taken up hither,
(therefore a door opened into heaven, the Bible records), and he
would be shown things which must be hereafter, sometimes after
John's day.
Now what does he behold? In chapter 4 of Revelation, he says that
he was in the spirit, "immediately I was in the spirit, and
behold a throne was set in heaven." And he states the throne was
occupied. "One sat on the throne." He sat upon a throne which was
lined with jasper and sardonyx stone. (A careful student of
Scripture knows all the way through prophecy, all the way through
the Bible, as far back as the days of Genesis, even to the
prophecy of Deuteronomy 32, where it says, "God is a rock; he is
a rock." And his work is done in truth and righteousness. All the
prophets refer to God as a rock.
Now here we see in Revelation John likewise witnesses God has the
appearance of a Jasper and Sardonyx Stone. He claims that there
was a rainbow round about the throne ... like an Emerald. He
carefully saw that there were living creatures around the throne
saying that God is holy, holy, holy -- which was, and is, and
is-to-come. A God, who created all things, "for His pleasure they
were and are created."
Now this instruction emphasizes that there is a God, a kingdom, a
judiciary. (In the respect that John witnesses that there are "24
elders sitting on 24 thrones" seems to imply a judgment.) But
uniquely enough in this judgment, or in this throne. (Or "in this
heavenly sanctuary," as we see from the writings of Paul the
Apostle. Paul talks about the heavenly sanctuary, the heavenly
Zion.)
In this sanctuary we see a God, a rainbow, a throne; living
creatures stating that God is holy, which was, and is, and is to
come (God of the past, present, and future). And that this God,
who is the creator of all things, is holy and deserves to be
worshipped. We continue on in chapter 5 to see, that "I beheld,"
John says, "in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a
book, or a scroll -- sealed with seven seals." (Notice it's
written on the inside and the backside.)
Well, the meaning of these things can only be speculated, until
we have solid proof. (In other words, unless we were there
ourselves to see it in detail.) Then what we are allowed to see
in the Scripture, as John also beholds, is a mighty angel. In
this throne room were all these angels: "thousands times
ten-thousands and thousands" are called together. And this mighty
angel questions all those in heaven, "Who is worthy to open this
book, and to loose the seven seals thereof?" Clearly Scripture
states "no man in heaven, neither on earth, neither under the
earth," (of course `buried,' we do have dead in this world, you
know), "was worthy to open, neither to look thereon."
So hey, God says in Scripture, at least John testifies in
Scripture, that the Mystery of God -- His Book -- is sealed.
Well, what happens is, as we continue on, we see in Chapter 5,
that John begins to weep until one of the elders says, "Weep not
John; behold the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the root of David,
hath prevailed to open the Book, and to loose the seal thereof."
(Of which we know the Lamb, being a symbol of Christ, is brought
to view.) And John beheld a Lamb that had been slain (in the
midst of the throne and the 4 beasts and the Elders) with 7 eyes
and 7 horns.
Well, what's the meaning of these things? If God does have a
revelation of Jesus Christ, which he gives to him to show to his
servants, then here we begin to see the meaning of these things.
We see that God has a Book, which must be hereafter. (Sometime
after John's day; can-not be before John's day.) The event is
clearly identified as one which must be in the hereafter, and in
this event there's a judgment that takes place. The Question --
"Who is worthy?" (The answer, "No man.") The Answer to this --
"Only the Lamb." So in Scripture the Lamb comes to the One on the
Throne and takes the Book out of his right hand, and all of
heaven bows before Him and gives him glory and honor. And then
John beheld the Lamb in Chapter 6, beginning to OPEN THE SEALS.
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Now, I've heard a lot of statements the past couple of days, from
people that are versed in Scripture, from people that are
students of the Bible, saying this and saying that about the
meaning of these seals. But remember, we already see that in
heaven, Christ, when he reveals the seals -- He is the only one
that can do so. And remember it's already been said it's a
revelation of him, so there's a mystery between God the Father,
His Book, and Christ, and what He is to reveal.
What Scripture does tell us though, is that John beheld The Lamb
open the 1st seal in chapter 6, "There was a noise of thunder,
and one of the 4 beast said come and see." John witnessed . John witnessed that when he opened the 1st seal, there was
"behold a white horse, and he that sat up on him had a crown, a
bow was given to him, and he went forth conquering and to
conquer." Well, how does this reveal Christ? Oh, well, a lot of
people will tell you this was the early christian church. The
white horse is a symbol of purity. Some even say this is the
anti-christ. But now wait a minute. A lot of opinions have been
given on this subject.
So also on the 2nd seal. The man on the red horse has a great
sword, going forth (you know) killing one another... I mean come
on! Is this a revelation of Jesus Christ?
o "One who has a bow ... conquering and to conquer."
Sounds like war.
o And the 2nd seal -- "A great sword ... that they
should kill one another." Sounds terrible.
o The 3rd seal -- "man on a black horse," has
balances. You know. What's this wheat & barley
stuff? "Hurt not the oil and the wine."
o The 4th seal -- "a pale horse," the name of the
one who sits on there is Death, and Hell follows
him. How can these things reveal Christ?
o The 5th seal -- Souls under altar, crying to God
to avenge their blood which was shed upon the
earth. I mean, what is this?
o The 6th seal -- Suns and stars being darkened. The
heavens depart as a scroll. The sons of men crying
to the rocks and mountains to hide them from the
face of the One who sets upon the Throne. I mean
"The One who sets upon the Throne," that's The
Father. That's The Rock isn't it? What can these
things mean?
o The 7th seal is opened. And all of a sudden "the
angel at the altar." Then we begin to see the
opening of the trumpets.
Remember now, the 7th seal contains all the information from that
point -- to the rest of the Bible.
The trumpets contain a very interesting and unique story, but
remember, we've got to understand "how to find the key" to
interpret these things -- not with our opinions, but with the
mind of God. And no one can do that, unless we have the Spirit of
God. And no one can have that unless God gives it to us.
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Now let me review.
Notice how during the 6th seal, the question is asked in the time
of God's apparent wrath, "Who shall be able to stand?" "For the
day of his wrath is come and who shall be able to stand?"
Notice how that in the next chapter, chapter 7, NOT an additional
seal is opened, but an answer. John sees that he beheld 4 angels
standing on the 4 corners of the earth, holding the 4 winds of
the earth; if the winds should not blow on the earth, nor on the
tree, or sea.
And he saw an angel ascending from the east having the seal of
The Living God. What could that seal be? Who is The Living God?
Is the Living God the One on the Throne? Does the Living God have
something we need to know? Does the Living God have some kind of
seal? What could the SEAL be? We know there's 7 seals, but that's
sealed. No one can know that but Christ. Well, who is that angel
from the east?
Yes, in Matthew 24, a lot of ministers confront me and say,
"there will be many false prophets in the latter days." For
remember, Christ told his disciples then, that when they see the
"abomination of desolation," as spoken of by the Prophet Daniel,
they would understand something. And he also said, that when they
shall say in the desert, go not forth ... he's in the secret
chamber, believe it not. "For as lightning in the east shall
shine unto the west, so also shall the Son of Man be."
When the 7th seal opens -- there's silence. An 7 angels and 7
trumpets prepare themselves to sound. And it appears that some
terrible plagues take place. What could these things mean? Well,
just as there was an interruption under the 6th seal, so is there
an interruption under the 6th trumpet. Under the 6th trumpet we
learn about a mighty of 200 million. What are they doing?
Well, we see that during the break of this, in chapter 10, a
mighty angel comes down from heaven -- clothed with a cloud, his
face as it were the sun, his feet are pillars of fire, and he has
in his hand a little book opened. He puts his right foot on the
earth, left foot on the sea, and cries and a lion roars. When he
cried, 7 Thunders uttered their voices. Now what are these 7
Thunders? What do these things mean? How do we categorize this
book? What are we really looking at?
Remember, it is a revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to
Him, and remember the most fearful warning ever given to man is
the warning found in Revelation 22, where Christ says, "For I
testify to every man that hears the word of this prophecy: If any
man should add to the words of this prophecy, God shall add unto
him the plagues that are written in this prophecy. And if any man
shall take away from the words of this prophecy, God shall take
away his name OUT of the Lamb's Book of Life, and from the things
in prophecy."
Now that's fearful. That means the book is not to be messed with
or pranked with by anybody who would dare think that they can by
speculation, or private opinions, unlock the mystery of the seals
and what they contain. Remember the events of the 7th seal.
Contained from the 7th chapter on, the trumpets and the
information thereof, just as the 6th seal contains information
thereof.
Well then, what must be hereafter, after John's day? A revelation
of who? Who gave it to him? Who only can reveal it, (Revelation
22). Who's going to come? What's he going to bring, his reward?
What is his reward? Is it true in Isaiah 40 & 41 that He's going
to come with a strong hand? Who is the "Behold my servant, whom I
uphold?" What do these things mean?
Well, we know in the 1st seal, that Christ opens it and we hear
the noise of thunder. One of the four beasts says, "come and see
... and behold a white horse." He that sat upon him had a bow. A
crown was given to him and he went forth conquering to conquer.
Well, in order to understand this seal, we have to find out a
secret about Christ. In the counsel to
the church of Philadelphia, we see Christ addresses that church
in chapter 3 of Revelation, with this message: "And to the angel
of the church of Philadelphia write, these things sayeth he that
is holy, He that hath the key of David. He that openeth and no
man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth."
Well, what does he mean to this church -- "I set before thee an
open door and no man can shut it, for thy hath but a little
strength?" What could this mean? What is the Key-of- David?
Isaiah 22 talks about the Key-of-David, but it refers to
"Eliakim." But still, what is the Key-of-David?
Well, of ancient times, Christ being the root and offspring of
David. David was a great king in Israel. And David was anointed
of God, being a shepherd lad. But through the power of God he was
able to overthrow the greatest obstacle in his day, Goliath, the
Philistine. Using 5 smooth stones, he chose one, and it sunk deep
into the forehead of the giant.
Well, what happens is this. We see that this David wrote 150
Psalms that are published in most Bibles of today's modern world.
Now I say that because some scholars will agree that there are
other psalms, too. But as far as the King James, and the books of
that caliber, we have 150 psalms.
Well, our subject is the 1st seal. We don't want to have any
opinions, though. We just want to simply... see if we can find
the mystery of God in the prophets.
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Well, let's turn in our Bible to Psalm 45, and let's see if we
can't get some kind of hint in regards to what the 1st seal is.
It states here (this is the King James
Version), "my heart is inditing a good matter. I speak of the
things which I have made touching the king." What could it
possibly mean? What does it mean, "my heart is inditing a good
matter?" Does that mean "my heart is inditing a good matter?" Is
somebody's heart inditing a good matter? "I speak of things I
have made touching the king." Does that mean by interpretation "I
speak of the things I have made touching the king?" Is our
subject about a king? Is our subject about somebody's heart? Is
our subject about "my tongue is the pen of a ready writer?"
Now, who is talking here? Well, naturally David of Old is talking
here, correct? Well, who is the king he's talking about? Solomon?
Well, let's see. "Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace
is poured into thy lips: therefore God has blessed thee for
ever." Well, Solomon was a wise man wasn't he? Ok, it says here,
"gird thy sword upon thy thigh O most mighty, and with thy glory
and thy majesty." "And in thy majesty ride prosperously, because
of truth. (I wonder what Solomon rides? Probably, rides a horse,
doesn't he?)
"And in meekness and righteousness, and thy right hand shall
teach thee terrible things." Huh? I guess with a sword in you
right hand, you could learn a lot of terrible things! Whoa. In
verse 5, "Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the King's
enemies, whereby the people fall under thee." Hmmm. Solomon
doesn't seem really like too nice of a guy. That is if he's your
enemy.
But anyway, "Thy throne, O God, is for ..." Huh? wait a minute!
"Thy throne O God is for ever and..." Now, wait a minute. Is
David saying that Solomon is God? No -- he's probably just saying
that God is God. Well, why would a prophecy about Solomon have to
do with God's throne? "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Though lovest
righteousness and hateth wickedness: therefore God, thy God..."
Wait a minute, "therefore God, thy God," what could this possibly
mean? Who is what God? "Thy God has anointed thee with the oil of
gladness above thy fellows." This is very strange, or is it?
Well, let's look at it again a little closer. Scripture says that
David was a man after God's own heart. Although David transgres-
sed, and that in no wise is like God's heart. But nonetheless,
David was a prophet, and he was inspired. Could it be that David
was used by God to write down God's messages that would one day
be revealed by Christ? If Christ does have the Key-of-David,
would he not be able to reveal the heart of God?
God in heaven looks to be a rock, doesn't he? "Oh hard rock God,
right. God's long, God's hard..." But wait a minute, through
Christ we can see that God is not as hard as you think he is.
Look at God. Come up hither, in the light of judgment, and see
the Father on the throne. See the book in his right hand, and
watch him give it to Christ, and watch him open the 1st seal. And
let's see about this man on the white horse who has a crown and a
bow.
Now, God is the one who is ridden. "My heart is inditing a good
matter: I speak of things which I have made..." Is God a maker?
Is he Creator? What does he want to talk about? The things he's
made touching the king. Who is the king? Could it be Christ? "My
tongue is the pen of a ready writer." Did God write a book? Does
God want to talk about His Son according to a Book? Well, what
does God then think about His Son? "Thou art favored of the
children of men."
Well, if that's what God thinks? Although, Isaiah 53 says, that
they will see in him no beauty or desire him; God, nevertheless
says, "He is fairer than the children of men." Why?! "Grace, is
poured into thy lips." Huh? I guess whatever Christ says, those
who hear it, will find grace, won't they. Therefore, "God has
blessed thee for ever."
Well. "Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty." Is Christ
the most mighty? "With thy glory and thy majesty," I mean it
seems like in Revelation all of Heaven bowed before the Lamb, did
they not? That's a lot of glory. "For thou were slain to receive
power, honour, glory, riches, wisdom, kingdom, might," Oooh!
That's a lot of inheritance there. Especially in the Gospel when
it says, "I have received all things from my Father. "And in thy
majesty ride prosperously because of truth."
So what could this truth be? What truth in the Bible talks about
riding a horse prosperously and its truth? Could it be
Revelation? Could it be the 1st seal? Maybe a truth about Christ?
Maybe a truth about him being a king, (which is a crown)? Could
it be a truth about him having a horse, riding conquering and to
conqueror? Huh.
So because of truth, the truth of God's Book, the heart intention
of He's indited. His tongue is the pen of a ready writer. And he
doesn't say nothing in the judgement. You see, He just gives it
to the Lamb. And, you know the Lamb: rides prosperously; writes
in truth, in meekness and righteousness, "And thy right hand
shall teach thee terrible things." Oooh. Well, what's that in his
right hand -- a sword or a book?
Well, what does this book teach? My arrows are sharp in the heart
of the kings enemies. Surely, Solomon... was he a killer? Did he
kill for God? Christ, is he a killer? Did he kill for God? Will
Christ ever destroy the wicked, "whereby the people fall under
thee?" What kind of gospel is this? "Thy throne, O God, is
forever and ever," Is Christ God? "The sceptre of thy kingdom is
a right sceptre." I mean, does he deserve to rule? Why?
Does he love righteousness and hate wickedness? Therefore God is
not Christ, God... thy God? Is not his God -- the Father? Is he
not going to anoint him above (with oil of gladness) above his
fellows? What is this oil of gladness? "All thy garments smell of
myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces," what
about it made thee glad? I mean, should Christ ever be made glad?
Where's this at? When's this take place?
"King's daughters were among the honourable women." What's that?
"Upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. "How
can this be Christ? Christ is God. What would he be doing with a
woman? Well, maybe she's the church. Maybe she's the spiritual
church. Well, who's the king's daughters then? Hmmm. Maybe
there's more than one church.
Well, whatever it may be, we know in verse 10, whether it's a
spiritual church, or a literal woman, there's one thing required.
"Hearken, O daughter, and consider..." Consider what? Consider
God's heart inditing in good matter. Consider Who the King is.
Consider who's going to be the Powerful One. Who's going to win.
Consider about the Throne of God. Considering maybe Revelation --
Who the Father gives The Book to.
"Incline thine ear; forget also thine own people and thy father's
house." Well, if this was a spiritual church, it would seem kind
of funny, for God to tell the spiritual church, to forget her own
people, (which would be her denomination of the Father's house),
which would be..., well I thought her father would be God, if it
were spiritual?
Now, if it were a literal girl, "Hearken, O daughter, consider,
incline thine ear;" then we can understand naturally, if a girl
is going to marry a man, she has to uproot the one family, and
join to another. Not completely, but we understand what we're
saying. So if she wants to listen and learn -- "so should the
king greatly desire thy beauty, for he is thy lord, and worship
thou him."
"And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift." Who's
Tyre? Wonder what that is? "Even the rich among the people shall
intreat thy favor." Rich people want to intreat the favor of this
queen?
"The king's daughter is all glorious within." How did she become
the king's daughter? "Within?" Why is she glorious within? Does
she have a truth, or somethin'? Is there some kind of light she
has within her? Her clothes are of "wrought gold." She is to be
brought to the king in raiment of needlework.
"The virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto
thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought. They
should enter into the king's palace." Instead of thy fathers, it
shall be thy children." Now, what does that mean?
Well, let's break this down. If Christ is the Son of God, if
that's the case, and if we all are sons of God, if we believe in
Christ; then naturally every girl would be a daughter of God,
wouldn't she? Well, we look up to the Father on the Throne, of
which we want to exalt. We know that He is greater than all. And
He's Christ's Father, and He's also everyones' Father. And Psalms
83 said, God says, "I say, you are gods, and all of you are
children of the Most High." [should be, Psalms 82:6]
Hosea teaches us that we're to say, "You're not my people." There
should be said, "You're the sons of the living God." So Christ
says in the Gospels, "if he calls him God, to whom the word of
God came, the law can not be broken."
Well, we're ruining God's Word -- it's God's Spirit. This is what
makes us become born again, born by the Spirit, the knowledge of
God. Well, so, a girl believes in God, and so does everybody else
that believes in God. So therefore God the Father has many
children, doesn't he? Christ being the firstborn, and ... all
thereafter that believe. But instead of thy fathers, it should be
thy children, "whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth."
- - -
To the person that really doesn't understand Scripture, this
would seem to be a very controversial subject. I mean, Christ
never had any wife, has to be Spiritual. "I'll make thy name
remembered in all generations, therefore shall the people praise
thee for ever and ever."
Well even if it is Spiritual, we know one thing; We know that are
the servants of God, know that Psalm 45 is the very prophecy
which must be hereafter according to the 1st seal. But just to
make sure we know it's going to be fulfilled, let's turn in our
Bible to REVELATION 19. (Just so we can get a better caption of
what we are really looking at.)
Now remember, in the 18th chapter of Revelation, we know that
Babylon the Great falls. She made all nations drink of some kind
of wine of the wrath of her fornication. Now, we find that
something very bad happens, and then in verse 23 of Chapter 18,
"no more light of the candles shall shine there, nor the voice of
the bridegroom and the voice of the bride."
Well, the merchants, who are the great men of the earth, it says
in verse 23, "And for by their sorceries were all the nations
deceived." We all know about capitalization. We know about
advertisement selling something, making it better than what it
really is. "For here is found the blood of prophets, and saints,
and of all that were slain upon the Earth." You see, just because
people don't accept the truth from God's Word does not mean it's
not Truth? And some truth that we might teach can get us in
trouble.
But anyway, in 1st verse, Chapter 19, it says, "And after these
things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven saying
Alleluia, salvation, and glory, and honour, and power unto the
Lord our God." Why? "For true and righteous are his judgments." I
wonder what his judgments were?
Isaiah 51 talked about judgments of God. Says something about,
"HEARKEN to me, ye that seek after righteousness, ye that seek
the LORD: look unto the rock whereby you're hewn." Again,
remember in Revelation, God the rock? If God is a rock, he's the
only one who can make us new, right? And it says, "look to the
pit from which you're dug," in Isaiah 51. It talks about Abraham
and promises of God. Then it says, "Hearken unto me, my people;
and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from
me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light to the
people."
Now, we know that what the Law of God commands is the 10
Commandments, but we know when God sent His Son into the world,
he was the Law made flesh. And although he kept the law
perfectly; nonetheless, he also forgave, based on men's
ignorance. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
But he also commended his Spirit into the hands of God so that
none would be without excuse.
We all know on the right hand of God there's more light..., more
light(!), to be known. So if God's judgments, (which are the 7
seals), are righteous and true, 'cause he judges the great whore.
(Which no doubt a whore is not a very faithful bride, is she?
Absolutely not!) "Which did corrupt the earth with her
fornication and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her
hand?"
It seems like this great whore doesn't commit itself to God,
herself to God, does she? And she probably will be responsible
for the blood of God's servants, because she probably won't know
where they're coming from. "And again they said, Alleluia, and he
smoke rose up for ever and ever."
So we know Babylon the great is a big whore, right? I mean, she's
not really very faithful, when it comes to God's Word, when it
comes to knowing God's Truth. And I betcha she's the kind of
person that'll claim to be with a guy, and love a guy, and not
even know where he's coming from -- that's how most whores are,
isn't it? Just think of how many people claim they love Jesus
Christ, and that there is... they don't even know where the seals
are found in the prophecies. Huhhh. I wonder what that could
mean?
"And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and
worshipped God who sat upon the Throne." "And a voice came in
heaven," verse 5 says, "Praise our God." How many? "All ye his
servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great." "Heard the
word, of the voice of a great multitude, and the voice of many
waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings saying, Alleluia:
for the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth." (All powerful reigns!)
"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the
marriage of the Lamb", (which we learned about in Psalm 45), "is
come." So here we see that in Psalm 45, the Lamb only has to
destroy his enemies. And who are his enemies? Those who do not
believe the word of God.
Now if a person never had a chance to know -- you've got to
forgive 'em -- for they don't know what they do. But should
anybody dare, try to go against the Truth of God, and try to hurt
Christ, because they know not, and refuse to know, well then,
we're talking somethin' serious.
"Let us be glad ... and give honour to him: for the marriage of
the Lamb is come, and his wife has made herself ready." How do
you think that girl in Psalms 45 made herself ready? Do you think
she made herself ready by denying God on the throne? By denying
the importance of the Lamb opening the 1st seal? Do you think she
made herself ready by denying that Christ had a Key-of-David?
Well, if so then Psalms 45 wouldn't mean nothing to her, would
it? But anyway, it says, "To her it was granted that she should
be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white, for the fine linen is
the righteousness of the saints."
- - -
My friends, are you right? Are you right? Don't worry about me
Are you right? Does your Father sit on a throne? Does He have a
Book in his hand? Did he give it to the One you say you love? Was
the promise that I come, and my reward is with me, was that not
true? "For someone that so loved the world that he gave his only
begotten son," do you not believe God's Heart indites a good
matter?
The question of the judgment is not who's done wrong, or who's
done evil. The question is, "Who is Worthy?" Now, Christ doesn't
come to be worthy above you. Christ comes to give you his
knowledge, his righteousness. And is it not right that Psalms 45
is the same as the 1st seal? Is not Revelation 19 confirming
this?
Well, if she has the righteousness of saints, we as saints,
should we not know rightly how to divide the Word of God... (line
upon line, precept on precept; is he here, there; and a little
here, and there a little.) ...the Truth of God?
He said, "Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the
marriage supper of the Lamb. And he said unto me, these are the
true sayings of God." Well, some people may not think so.
But now notice how John wanted to fall down and worship before
the feet of the angel which showed him these things? He said,
"See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant and of thy
brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the
testimony of Jesus is the spirit of Prophecy.
What do yo want to do? Do you want to learn about the wrath of
Christ by him riding a white horse into heaven and destroying the
unbelievers? Or would you rather him just come, and teach you
these things ahead of time?
"And John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he
that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in
righteousness he doth judge and make war." He doesn't do it out
of unrighteousness. There's a truth that's almost 2,000 years old
called the Revelation. And men have built up empires and
churches, all in the name of Christ. But have they given to their
people the knowledge of which only the Lamb can give? No.
"His eyes were as a flame of fire," the way he sees, with 7 eyes,
really burns. "And on his head were many crowns," He takes those
from the kings of the Earth, you know. "And had a name written
that no man knew, but he himself."
- - -
People don't understand what the name Koresh means. No one knows.
Scholars can not tell you. Look at all the concordances, and they
don't know. But it's found in Isaiah 45. It was originally a name
given to a Persian king, who overthrew ancient Babylon. But
there's a mystery to the name Koresh. He was clothed in a vesture
dipped in blood, because people don't like to learn the truth
that's not out of their own head. And his name is called the Word
of God.
That's why so many times Christ has to be rejected. For people
know not the Word of God, and without knowing the Word of God,
The Book, they'll not know the seals. Without knowing the seals,
they'll do unto Christ, fulfilling (Isaiah.. excuse me) Matthew
24, "where the carcass is, there will be eagles gathered
together." Why? Because Isaiah says, he'll come with a strong
hand, and what's stronger than that book of seven seals -- that's
the Word of God -- fulfilling what it says in John. "He that
believeth me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. For
my doctrine is not my own, but his that sent me." And the armies
which are in Heaven followed him upon white horses. There. That's
the Armageddon here. Clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Now, Isaiah 13 will tell you more detail. Just like in Joel 2.
You'll also learn in Joel 2, as well as Zephaniah, and Amos, and
Hosea, all the different prophecies referring to these seals.
Now let me emphasize something to you again, when you read Psalms
1, always keep your mind up hither -- and remember --I'm giving
you a Key-of-David now. I'll share with you. Every time you read
a psalm, like in Psalms 1, the judgment is the one spoken of in
Revelation 4 and 5. When you read Psalms 2, the heathen that
rage, that imagine vain things, they're the ones whose thoughts
are contrary to the thoughts of God. "Against the Lord and
against his anointed, saying, "Let us break their bands asunder
and cast their cords from us."
You see, when the Lamb comes again, there's only one way to know
who he is: He has to reveal the 7 seals. "That men may not be
judged by the law, for all have broken the law and come short of
glory of God." That they be might be judged by nothing more than
Truth. 'Cause notice in Psalms 2, , the
heathen rage, and they imagine a vain thing -- they want to stop
this anointed one. "Let us break his bands asunder." What do you
think that is? How many bands are there on the book? There are
seven bands on the book.
Why this is happening today. He that sits in heaven, that's the
Father you know, sits on the throne. He laughs! He laughs while
men begin to make the worst mistake they've ever made. All the
nations, from Babylon, to Persia, Greece, and Rome, were judged
by a judgment, and they fell when it became time for God to make
them fall.
Now, yes, in Psalms 2 it says, "I will declare the decree: the
Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten
thee." Well, aren't we all sons of God if we hear the words of
God? Now the Psalms are not written because Christ is desiring to
destroy mankind. On the contrary. The warnings of Psalms 1, in
the light of the judgment is so that men might fear, and receive
redemption. The same is Psalms 2. Absolute terrible warnings are
given, such as, "I will dash them to pieces with a rod of iron,"
right? We know that Christ would never want to do that.
But finally, it comes to a time when judgment must begin. Clearly
it says [Psalms 2:10-12] "Now therefore be ye wise, ye kings of
the earth, be instructed ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord
with fear, rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be
angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but
a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
- - -
Now, ministers should show you where the seals are. I have just
given you a small little taste. Is Psalms 45 the same as
Revelation? Doesn't that make it plain? It's the subject of
Christ getting married. A subject of Christ having to deal with
the enemies, who believe not God's Word. Does not Psalms 1 teach
us to stand in the judgment, don't sit in the seat of the
scornful, or of the sinners?
Only God's thoughts are holy. And when God's thoughts be revealed
in the seven seals, all true Christians should make that their
first and foremost interest. In Psalms 2, why do the heathen have
to rage, why do they have to fight the guy that's got the seals?
In Psalms 3, who's the person there that says, "Many say of my
soul there's no help for him in God." How come people have to
judge according to appearances of things, but they won't open
their eyes and ears and hear where a person's coming from? In
Psalms 4, who is the one speaking there where it says, "O ye sons
of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? How long will
you seek after leasing, and love vanity?
But know that the Lord has set apart him that is Godly for
himself: the Lord will hear when I call unto him." Who in the
heavens has God separated from all of heaven -- a part -- that is
Godly for himself. The Lamb who wishes to judge no man after the
flesh, but gives to all men a truth in fulfillment of the
testimony of John:
"That if you continue in my doctrine, then you are my disciples
indeed, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you
free."
In Zechariah, who is the man on the red horse? Doesn't Revelation
talk about a man on a red horse? How does it apply? In the 3rd
seal, the Book of Hosea, who is that merchant man with "the
balances of deceit," that Hosea speaks of? Could it be that man
who has balances -- who's trying to sell? I mean, what are we
dealing with here? Where is the 4th seal found in the prophecies?
The 5th seal? The 6th seal? The importance of the seals is that
if you do not listen, you are going to end up making the worst
mistake, you've ever made, in all of your lives.
- - -
We made an agreement, with the ATF agents, that if they would
allow me to have national coverage with this tape: that I might
give to the world a small minute.. a small minute bit, of the
information that I have tried so hard to share with people; that
if I would do this, that all the people here at the facility
(compound here, as y'all call it) will give ourselves over to the
world, give ourselves out to you. And this is what I promised.
And this is what we're going to keep.
Now remember, Revelation Chapter 13 tells us, very clearly what
our ideology should be toward that beast, and all the world that
wonders after that beast. Who do they worship? Remember, before I
said it to you, God said it. They worship the dragon. And will
Christ give up on anybody for worshipping the dragon unwillingly?
No. Just like the woman at the well. "Woman, you know not whom
you worship," Christ told her. But now in Spirit and in Truth,
let's come up hither to where I come from. Let's believe in a God
on the Throne now. All churches. Papacy, Lutherans, we're all
brethren. But let's get into unity with one God, one Truth, one
Lamb, one Spirit -- and let's receive the reward of
righteousness.
Thank you very much. God Bless.
[Commentary by Stephen Tice:]
If you kept a media transcript from the original broadcast -- you may
be stunned at how badly butchered, mishandled, or intentionally altered
the press copies were -- compared to this one.
I found in listening to tape dubbed from one of the original tapes for
broadcast, that not only is the message cogent, rather than rambling and
disorganized, but it expresses some deeply insightful points. Of course,
it helps to be Biblically well-versed, or at least to use a dictionary.
{Such as for "inditing."}
Several curious points are evident in working from the tape:
o twiced a cellular phone rings (I noted the second occurence
in the transcript, and will probably do a more detailed
analysis noting background details.)
o though the content of the message is fairly consistent
throughout, either Koresh or others, seem to have inserted
material from a prior "sermon" (This is even more apparent
on the tape, comparing the halting presentation intitially
-- as in pain -- with the more robust presentation later,
returning to halting remarks near the end.)
o Koresh is obviously very much Christian, and upholds
Christian doctrine, though older, and novel, material
has been brought in.
In short -- there's a message worthy of consideration, not only for the
mastery of the subject demonstrated -- but because of the inspired and
novel "harmonizing" of the entire Bible. I agree with the bulk, if not
all of the message presented.
Whether or not Koresh himself believes in some special role for himself,
beyond that of "watchman" or "prophet" remains to be seen. What little
indication there is of some unique calling, is hardly different than
that of any of us who profess that we are "One in Christ," and the
"Living Stones" of God's Church for whom Christ is the Cornerstone.
{If you're not familiar with these "messages" from Christ's followers,
I'll point out the references on request.}
Which is not to say that crimes and foolish mistakes weren't committed
by certain members of the Davidians and the ATF.
What I am most impressed by, is that Koresh could have offered the
message he did to the world, considering the previous events of the
few days leading up to it. Assuming this is what he intended, even
if only partial.
It's clear to me that some of his followers responded, rightly or
wrongly, as though an assassination attempt were being carried out on
their Religious "leader." Considering X, King, Ghandi, Pope Paul II,
and similar religious leaders throughout the ages, I can't say I'm
surprised at the response of the erring knee-jerk "pro-" or "anti-"
factions.
Just like in the Rodney King affair, it always takes at least two
groups of trouble-makers wielding force, or coercion, to really foul
things up for the rest. But I've yet to see repentance or regret on
any side. Including the spectators giving thumbs-up or thumbs-down
to the games. For all too many this is just another "cop-show." It
was no different in Rome, or Nazi Germany, I reckon.
A thought for those still troubled. If you're trying to figure out
who and what is right and wrong in this whole affair -- look to GOD
-- otherwise it will forever be a black-hole drawing you ever deeper
into doubt. Neither group is entirely right, nor entirely wrong.
One of the problems of being human, or should I say -- one of the
lessons.
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| stephen
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen)
Subject: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)
For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure,
or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast,
I've enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes
he exactly used. As a Christian sermon, it's pretty good, if not
inspired.
Though I differ in part on some of his conclusions, the argument
he presents is well backed -- which is why it's taken me this long
to work through -- still ongoing.
If you thought it was rambling -- that says far more about you than
it does Koresh. There is a very definite relationship between the
First Seal in Revelation 6, the entirety of Psalms 45, and the
most of Revelation 19 -- which demonstrated one of his major points
about how the writings in the Prophets (including David), and in
the Psalms, and in Revelation are all telling the same story when
you understand how they're related (ie have the key). The largely
explain each other.
The sequence following is keyed to the Koresh tape, should you care
to check it out. You can almost see the note cards he used when
doing the analysis.
Rev. 1:3
Rev. 1:11
John 7:1
John 7:2
John 7:3
John 7:4
John 7:5
John 7:6
John 7:7
John 7:8
John 7:9
John 7:10
John 7:11
John 7:12
John 7:13
John 7:14
John 7:15
John 7:16
Lev. 12:6
Num. 19:2
Heb. 9:12
John 8:41
Isa. 7:14
Mat. 23:37
Mat. 23:38
Mat. 24:1-2
Mat. 24:3
Mat. 24:4
Mat. 24:5
Mat. 24:26
Mat. 24:27
Mat. 24:28
Mat. 24:15
Mat. 24:16
John 7:16
John 17:25
Mat. 27:55-56
Mark 15:37-40
Luke 24:10
Mark 16:1,9
John 20:11-18
Luke 23:34
Luke 23:46
Mat. 4:1-11
Luke 4:2-22
Mark 1:12,13
1 Joh. 5:6-8
John 19:34
Mat. 26:26-29
Heb. 9:18-23
1 Cor. 10:16-17
1 Cor. 11:23-27
Acts 2:3
Rom. 3:21-28
Rom. 3:25
Acts 17:27-31
1 Cor. 9:1,2 & 15:9
Acts 9:4 & 22:6-8
1 Cor. 9:20-22
Acts 9:1,13
Mat. 12:38 & 16:1
Mar. 8:11
Rev. 1:9
Rev. 1:10
Rev. 1:11
Rev. 1:19
Mat. 23:27-34
Rev. 2:1
Rev. 2:7,11,17,29
Rev. 3:6,13,22
Rev. 3:20
Rev. 4:1
Rev. 4:2
Rev. 4:3
Rev. 4:6-9
Rev. 4:8
Rev. 4:11
Rev. 4:4
Deu. 4:48
Rev. 4:7-8 (cf. Eze. 1:10)
Rev. 4:11
Rev. 5:1
Rev. 5:2
Rev. 5:11
Rev. 5:2
Rev. 5:3
Rev. 5:4
Rev. 5:5
Rev. 5:6
Rev. 5:7
Rev. 5:8,14
Rev. 6:1
Rev. 6:2
Rev. 6:4
Rev. 6:2
Rev. 6:4 (cf. 1:16)
Rev. 6:5-6 (cf. 9:4)
Heb. 12:16
Rev. 6:8 (cf. 1:17,18)
Rev. 6:9 (cf. 3:10)
Rev. 6:12
Joel 2:31
Rev. 6:14
Isa. 34:4
Rev. 6:16 (cf. 1:16)
Rev. 8:3
Rev. 6:17
Rev. 7:1
Rev. 7:2
Mat. 24:3,11
Mat. 24:15
Mat. 24:23,26
Mat. 24:27
Rev. 8:1
Rev. 8:2,6
Rev. 8:7-13
Rev. 9:1-12
Rev. 9:13
Rev. 9:16
Rev. 10:1
Rev. 10:2
Rev. 10:3
Rev. 22:18
Rev. 22:19
Rev. 22:10
Rev. 22:12
Rev. 6:1-2
Rev. 3:7
Rev. 3:8
Psa. 45:1
Psa. 45:2
Psa. 45:3
Psa. 45:4
Psa. 45:5
Psa. 45:6
Psa. 45:7
Psa. 45:1
Psa. 45:2
Psa. 45:3
Rev. 5:12,13
Rev. 7:9-12
Rev. 6:2 ??
Rev. 19:11
Rev. 19:12
Rev. 5:1
Psa. 45:6
Psa. 45:7
Psa. 45:8
Psa. 45:9
Psa. 45:10
Psa. 45:11
Psa. 45:12
Psa. 45:13
Psa. 45:14
Psa. 45:15
Psa. 45:16
Psa. 45:17
Rev. 18:23
Rev. 19:1
Rev. 19:2
Rev. 4:3
Rev. 16:19
Rev. 19:2
Rev. 19:3
Rev. 19:4
Rev. 19:5
Rev. 19:6
Rev. 19:7
Rev. 19:8
John 3:16
Rev. 19:9
Rev. 22:8
Rev. 22:9
Rev. 19:11
Rev. 19:12
Mat. 24:28
John 7 12:44-49
Rev. 19:14
Psa. 1:5
Psa. 2:1
Psa. 2:3
Psa. 2:7
Psa. 2:10-12
Psa. 1:1
Psa. 2:1-3
Psa. 4:2
Psa. 4:3
Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the
character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out
the rest the hard way.
In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption.
Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten?
Oh yeah, one last point for the believers -- Philippian 2:14-19.
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-- J --
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| stephen
Koresh Text from 3-02 (part 1 of 4) Analysts' Notes jst/sdt
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March 2nd, 1993. |
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My name is Dave Koresh. I'm Speaking to | I. Introduction to the Revelation
you from Mount Carmel center. The first | of Jesus Christ.
thing that I would like to introduce, in |
our subject, is the reasons for the reve-|
lation of Jesus Christ. |
| A. The Reasons for
|
In the Book of Revelation, commentary | 1. To Show What Must Come.
states, that what John has written in |
Scripture, is nothing other than the |
revelation of Jesus Christ which God |
gave to him, to show to his servants |
things which must shortly come to pass. |
And he sent and signified it, signified |
it, by his angel unto his servant John. |
|
Now, John bear the Record of God, and | 2. To Bless the Reader.
the Word of Christ, and of all things |
that he saw. In the first chapter of |
Revelation it says, "Blessed is the man, | Rev. 1:3
.. blessed is he that readeth, and they |
that hear the words of this prophecy, |
and those who "keep" the things that are |
written therein, for the time is at |
hand." |
|
The Scripture states John writes this to | 3. To Address the Churches.
the seven churches which are in Asia: | Rev. 1:11
Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, Sardis, Phil- |
adelphia, Laodicea, so forth. Naturally, | also Pergamos
we must understand that we're not in |
Asia. These churches once existed long |
ago, being beneficiaries of the power |
and the gifts of the gospel. It was ori- |
ginally introduced by, The Man himself. |
Some knew him as Jesus Christ; others |
knew him by the name -- Yeshua. |
|
What we're trying to present today may | 4. To Impart the Burden of
in somewise shed a better light in re- | Heart, Mind, and Spirit.
gards to my situation and my predicament |
here at Mount Carmel. One point I'd like | a. Record of Christ's life.
to bring out before we continue, is that |
if we take a look at Matthew, Mark, Luke | The Gospel Writers.
and John, we see the "burden of these |
ancient writers:" the burden of heart, |
the burden of mind and spirit, to put in |
a scriptural record, their personal ex- |
perience with Christ. A record that is | b. For anyone to read.
to be received by men, all men, who will |
receive it. |
|
The point is true that not all have seen | 5. Witnesses of the Rejection
Christ, but it has been in the wisdom of | of the Son of God.
God that certain men who were witnesses |
of his life, and death, and resurrection,|
that they would bear witness by the writ-| a. Witnesses for Christ
ten word, and testify to the generations | ie Apostles & Disciples
to come, of the terrible happening that |
took place, when the men of that genera- | cf. Prophets, as witnesses
tion would not believe in the man who | for God
through so many obvious evidences proved |
beyond shadows of doubt, that he was the |
Son of God. |
| B. The Revealer: Jesus Christ.
| 1. Jesus Rejected.
|
But sad to say, if we take a look of the | a. Left Juda under threat of
Record of John, the `Gospel Writer' of | death.
John, say Chapter 7. We see in Scripture |
John writes that after certain events, | John 7:1
after these things "Jesus walked in |
Galilee:" he would not walk openly, "he | Koresh is quoting the Bible,
would not walk in Jewry," he would not | from the Book of John.
walk amongst the Jews, "because the Jews |
sought to kill him." We might wonder |
why? Wasn't Christ a such a good man?? |
|
"Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was | b. His own brethren doubt him.
at hand. His brethren therefore said un- | John 7:2
to him, Depart hence, and go into Judea, | John 7:3
that thy disciples also may see thy |
works that thou doeth. For there is no | John 7:4
man that doeth any thing in secret, and |
he himself seeketh to be known openly. |
If thou do these things, show thyself to |
the world. For neither did his brethren | John 7:5
believe in him." Strange statement isn't |
it? It's funny how that, when men live, |
and have to deal with realities of life, |
that even a man like Christ, can have to |
meet with unbelief, even from his own |
brethren. |
|
"Then Jesus said unto them, My time is | c. Hated by the world.
not yet come: but your time is alway | John 7:6
ready." And I'm sure most of all, bible |
students will agree, the time referred |
to, is the time of his crucifixion. They |
wanted to kill him, and he didn't want |
to show himself openly. |
|
Then Jesus said unto them... , (Verse 7) "The world can not hate |
you; but me it hateth, because I testify | John 7:7
of it, that the works thereof are evil. | John 7:8
Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up |
yet unto this feast; for my time is not |
yet full come." When he said these words | John 7:9
to them while he abode still in Galilee. |
|
"But when his brethren were gone up, | e. Went to feast in secret.
then went he also up unto the feast, not | John 7:10
openly, but as it were in secret." You |
would wonder why a man like Christ would |
have something to hide? I mean surely, |
the angels would protect him, obviously. |
A person would think a lot of things |
about this strange character, and dispo- |
sition of character. |
|
But we're sure -- being Christians -- | f. Caused contention.
that Christ knew what he was doing. And | Koresh is Christian?!
"the Jews [sought] him at the feast, and | John 7:11
said, Where is he? And there was much | John 7:12
murmuring among the people concerning |
him: [for] some said, He is a good man: | Rev. 7:1
others said, Nay; but he deceiveth * the | *
people. Howbeit no man spake openly of | John 7:13
him for fear of the Jews." |
|
Now we understand *the Jews at that time | g. Backdrop: Corrupt leaders.
had their own religious-political net- |
work, didn't they? They were pretty |
strong in the religious spectrum, * al- | *
though they had no actual political |
power. They were subject to the Roman |
government, and not to their own judi- |
cial/levitical laws. |
| 2. Taught with Authority.
|
"Now about the midst of the feast Jesus | a. The people marvel.
went up into the temple, and taught. | John 7:14
And the Jews marvelled, saying, How | John 7:15
knoweth this man letters, having never |
learned?" * Now in the days of Israel, * | *
most scholars * and teachers will agree, | *
* that the schools of Israel, ordained | *
by the Sanhedrin and also the Pharisees, |
were schools similar to the uhh, ones |
of our own theological schools of today. |
|
Of which the careful student of Scrip- | b. Insights to Scripture.
ture observes, that nowhere is it writ- |
ten in the gospel that Christ ever at- |
tended these schools. But at the age of |
12, he did enter into the temple, and | Luke 2:41-47
had a most unique and interesting dis- |
cussion with the religious leaders, of |
which they were quite amazed at, such a |
young lad's knowledge of Scripture. |
|
Now this man was teaching something -- | c. For it was God's teachings.
(no doubt Christ that is) that inspired |
the people to say, (you know), "How | John 7:15 cont.
knoweth this man (you know) letters |
having never learned?" They marveled. |
"Jesus answered them and [said], My doc- | John 7:16
trine is not mine, but his that sent |
me." Now, what does that mean? "My doc- |
trine is not mine, but his that sent me. |
If any man, will" (do the will) "do his |
will, he shall know [of] the doctrine, |
whether it be of God, or whether I speak |
of myself." |
|
- - - : * Koresh Tells His Motives *
|
Now friends, people that love the Lord, | There's a short break
this is where we begin to uhhh, talk | from the message about
about some serious things. | Christ here.
|
I'm sure you're all aware of how... how |
I'm involved in a very serious thing |
right now, and I'm sure that a lot of |
you realize that I should be possibly |
scared, concerned. There's women, child- |
ren, and men involved, in our situation |
here at Mount Carmel. But I am really |
concerned about the lives of my brethren | <- Concern for family.
here, and also, would be concerned even |
greater, about the lives of all those in | <- Concern for rest of world.
this world. |
|
- - - :
| 3. Jesus is Our Hope.
|
You know, without Christ, without Jesus, | a. God's law of righteousness.
we have no hope. Why? Well, because we |
know that the standard of God's righ- | Deu. 4,5,6
teousness is Law, a law of the Ten Com- |
mandments, a law of statutes and judg- |
ments. And which God gave unto Moses |
on Sinai, saying this is thy righteous- |
ness, O Israel. |
|
But you know, God also gave another law. | b. Sacrifice as a shadow of
A law revolving around a system of shed- | grace.
ding a poor and innocent lamb's blood. |
So that all who would break the Law of |
God, who would seek God for forgiveness |
and pardon, had to bring a lamb, some- |
thing innocent, and slay it -- although, |
Israel themselves never really knew the |
real meaning of this. Nonetheless, they |
were commanded to do it. Also there were | Lev. 12:6
other sacrifices, such as: turtle-doves, | Num. 19:2
goats, oxen, red heifers. | Heb. 9:12-14
|
But, it was a very sophisticated and | c. Social impacts. (An aside)
very prolific type system of worship. Of |
course, God had to give these people |
their own country. He had to give them |
blessings and things, to be able to per- |
form these, rituals. And naturally of |
course, having to slay a lamb for your |
sins or such sacrifices, it would defini-|
tely keep a man on guard, not to sin too |
much, because otherwise he could lose |
the livestock pretty quick, couldn't he? |
|
Well anyway, (thanks be unto God), from | d. The Law and The Prophets
as far back as Deuteronomy 32, all the | highlight God's mercy.
way through to Malachi, there has been |
other writings, writings of the Proph- | God's writings are His
ets. Writings who do not usurp the au- | Word
thority of Moses, but actually exalt The |
Law of Moses. But yet there's an addi- | God's rock hard law
tional testimony. For the same God of |
Heaven -- Who's rich in mercy -- has not | God's loving mercy
only given to men a Law, but also a way |
of escape, for those Repentant Souls who |
might fall short of the glory of God's |
law. Which some scholars will agree, |
that the glory of God's law is that it's |
a divine precept of His own character. |
God's character is revealed in The Law. |
|
Now, Christ is the only hope for a world | e. Is Christ the Word of God?
that sins. Now, how do we know? Well -- |
The Prophets -- have prophesied? But |
what if we're not familiar with the |
prophets? Well, were the Jews familiar |
with the prophets when this Word-of-God |
was made flesh? When Mary, The Virgin, |
had a baby boy, did everyone believe, |
that she was really a virgin when Christ |
was conceived? |
|
If we search the Scriptures, we'll find | f. The Prophet's told.
in certain arguments the Pharisees con- |
fronted Christ -- and said to him, "We | John 8:41
be not sons born of fornication." So |
obviously, not everyone believed that he |
was a child of a virgin birth! If they | Prophets were ignored
hadn't looked back to Isaiah chapter 8, |
and learned the mystery of Immanuel | Isa. 7:14
-- that a virgin would conceive and bear |
a son -- then they might not really put |
too much ahhm... [con]sistency into the |
fact that Christ at that day claimed to |
be born of a virgin. I mean, if Isaiah |
the prophet was a false prophet, well |
then naturally they would conclude that |
anyone claiming to have these things |
fulfilled would be false, too. |
|
But of course, Christ, he did something | g. Miracles confirm.
more, than to just fulfill prophecy. He |
did miracles. Miracles of mercy such as: |
healing the sick, feeding the hungry, |
raising the dead. And if we study we'll |
see that "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" |
gives us in somewhat, a full view of the |
oppositions, and also, the confidements, |
that he had in doing these miracles. He |
gathered many unto him through the means |
of these miracles. |
|
But sad to say, even though he had done | h. Those healed believed.
so many miracles, Scripture says, yet |
when it came right down to it, they did |
not believe in him. It's amazing to |
think that even his own disciples for- |
sook him -- except Mary Magdalene. She |
stayed with him to the very end, didn't |
she? Last to leave The Cross, first to |
come to the sepulchre. * Now, we need to | *
sit here, and we need to ask ourselves |
the question, `how come the men of that |
generation did not believe in Christ?' |
|
In Matthew 23, Christ had to say to the | i. Christ confirmed by Prophets
Jews "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem" how often | Mat. 23:37
I would have gathered you, but you would |
not. Why? He tells them that they have | Not re-gathered, since
forsaken The Prophets. "Thou that kill- | they've forsaken the
est the prophets," how often I would | Prophets. Has Christ
have gathered you. How does the subject | then told plainly how?
of `gathering Israel' and `the prophets' |
combine together? Then he tells them |
that their houses, their temple, is left | Mat. 23:38
to them desolate. |
| 4. Christ's Teachings on
| Last Things.
|
And that in Matthew 24, as Christ said | a. What signs of his coming?
on the Mount of Olives, his disciples | Mat. 24:1-2
came to him secretively to ask him, con- | Mat. 24:3
cerning these things. What should be the |
sign of thy coming and of the end of the |
world? Well, Christ begins to tell them, | Mat. 24:4
let no man deceive you, "For many shall | Mat. 24:5
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; |
and shall deceive many." |
|
A lot of bible students think that verse | b. Some willingly deceived?
refers to the people coming, and saying |
that they themselves are Christ. Well, |
naturally, if someone came claiming to |
be Christ... Christ covers that subject |
by saying that if any shall say, Lo he's |
"in the desert;" believe him not "go not | Mat. 24:26
forth." If he is in the secret chambers; |
"believe it not." |
|
But he goes on to say, that as lightning | c. Certain signs.
shines in the east, even to the west, | Mat. 24:27
so also shall his coming be. And he goes |
on to add, but "wheresoever the carcase | Mat. 24:28
is, there will the eagles be gathered |
together." | The carcass of Babylon?
|
Now, unless we knew what was on the mind | d. Eagle's Nest??
of Christ, the day he sat with his dis- |
ciples on the Mount of Olives, and gave |
the instruction to them according to |
Matthew 24; unless we could look into |
his mind, we would only have to specu- |
late, it would only be an opinion to try |
to figure out what it means, "wheresoev- | Mat. 24:28
er the carcase is, the eagles..." What |
carcass? Whose carcass? What eagles? |
What are the eagles? |
|
Well, Christ tells you of many signs in | e. Abomination of Desolation.
Matthew 24. He says, "when ye shall see | Mat. 24:15
the abomination of desolation, spoken of |
by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy |
Place, (of course, it says ye that read- |
eth, let him understand), those who are |
in Judea are supposed to flee to the | Mat. 24:16
mountains. |
|
| 5. Christ points to the Prophets
|
Now, what kind of points are these? What | a. Where to Get Insight.
is in the mind of Christ? Is Christ | 1 Cor. 2:16
trying to tell us, that we need to go |
back and study the prophet Daniel, to |
see if maybe Daniel had some insight, in |
regards to an abomination that maketh | Dan. 9:27 & 12:11
desolate? Now, an abomination is some- | A reference to any vileness
thing nobody wants; especially, if it | set up in place of God; the
makes us desolate. Now, what do these | result, wasted barrenness.
things mean? |
|
Well, we learned earlier in the Book of | b. Not his, but God's Teachings
John, Christ stated, "My doctrine is not | John 7:16
mine, but he who sent me." Now, we've |
got "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" (and | The Apostles
everybody in the Christian world his- | John 17:25
tory), to hear these men reveal Christ. | Mat. 27:55-56
The Christ they lived with. The Christ | Mark 15:37-40
they loved. The Christ that they didn't | Luke 24:10
understand sometimes. The Christ that | Mark 16:1,9
they had to see cruelly mocked, and | John 20:11-18
beaten, and ridiculed, and rejected, |
and killed. |
|
But, thanks be unto God on the Cross[!], | c. Christ's Expression of Love.
their Jesus, stated, "Father, forgive | Luke 23:34
them; for they know not what they do." |
And he also said, (which is the point |
that we're fixin' to get into quite hea- |
vily), "Father, into thy hand I commit | Luke 23:46 Psa. 31:5
my spirit." | Koresh says "commit" for
| "commend," same meaning.
|
Taking from Psalms 31, we begin to see | d. The words of God, Scripture.
that Christ is quite well versed in the |
Scriptures, just like the Gospels tell | Mat. 4:1-11
us, when he confronted the devil. Always | Luke 4:2-22
referring against the temptation by sta- | Mark 1:12,13
ting, "It is written, It is written, It |
is written." |
| 6. Is the Spirit Imparted
| Through the Written Word?
|
Now what is this Spirit of Christ? Well, | a. Sharing Blood and Flesh.
they pierced his side, and out his side | 1 John 5:6-8 John 19:34
came blood and water. Again another mys- | Mat. 26:26-29
tery. Which became something to do with | Heb. 9:18-23
eating his body, and drinking his blood, | 1 Cor. 10:16-17
some implements for The Church. | 1 Cor. 11:23-27
|
But, what does these things really mean? | b. Bathed in Righteousness.
Well, after we've read Acts and learned |
of the Power on Pentecost -- the "cloven | Acts 2:3
tongues of fire" -- that came upon the |
Apostles, who by mercy through Christ, |
were given another chance to recover |
from their folly; we learned through |
Romans that there is a righteousness of | Rom. 3:21-28
God in Christ, "declare his righteous- | Rom. 3:25
ness." | Jer. 23:6
|
We learn in Corinthians 1st and 2nd. We | c. Child of God.
learn in Ephesians, Galatians, and Phil- |
lipians... Ohh! We have such a wealth: |
of information, of such intelligent men, |
who speak sometimes, very deep mystical | Acts 17:27-31
things about a God -- who is in the form |
of humanity -- who is the Son of God who | A God within human hearts
sits at the right hand of God in the | and minds??
highest courts of the universe. Who pro- |
mises that one day, He will come again. |
|
| 7. Christ & Disciples Persecuted
|
Well, the last living Apostle, through | a. Pointing to Paul?
this great controversy... (and I might | 1 Cor. 9:1,2 & 15:9
add -- those who persecuted Christ, who | Acts 9:4 & 22:6-8
would not hear him no matter what sign | 1 Cor. 9:20-22
was given) ...also persecuted his disci- | Acts 9:1,13
ples. | Mat. 12:38 & 16:1
| Mark 8:11
|
And finally, we end up in the Book of | b. John's controversy -- The
Revelation, where John, (the last living | Testimony of Jesus Christ.
disciple on the isle of Patmos), being a |
prisoner for the Word of God and for the |
testimony of Jesus Christ -- which no | Rev. 1:9
doubt is a thing Jesus has to say. Which | Jer. 23:16
would probably be quite controversial to |
the things that the Pharisees and Sanhe- |
drin of the day had to say, we're sure. |
|
He, (being on this isle of Patmos a pri- | c. John's Vision.
soner, on the Lord's day), had a vision. | Rev. 1:10
And it states in this vision, (we should |
all be familiar with it hopefully -- or |
get familiar with it), he has a messen- | Rev. 1:11
ger, The Angel Lord come to him, who |
identifies himself as the Spirit. And he |
is told, to write to the seven churches | Rev. 1:19
of Asia. Of which, we can see clearly | Rev. 2 & 3
in the Scriptures, that they were given |
specific and direct * messages from | * |
Christ. * And in each one of these mes- | *
sages, Christ specifically told to the |
churches what he would have them to do. |
|
Now, we know that Christ is the only man | d. Christ also rejected.
in Scripture who ever kept The Law of | Heb. 4:15
God perfectly. We know that, because |
we've heard the writings of the apostles.|
But, sad to say, the religious leaders |
of his days, and the majority of the |
populace of his days, didn't think so. |
It's funny how that is. It's kind of | Mat. 23:27-34
like people always like to build the |
sepulchers of the dead prophets, and |
garnish their tombs, but yet they hate |
and kill living prophets. Only God knows |
why that is. But nonetheless... |
|
To the church (of Ephesus, Smyrna, [Per- | e. Counsel to the Churches.
gamos,] Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, |
Laodicea -- the churches thus involved, |
for anyone to read) direct counsel's gi- |
ven. Beginning with, "UNTO the angel | Rev. 2:1
of the church of Ephesus write; These |
things," (then... blah - blah), and what | Likely missed in editing.
happens is this message is given. |
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And then the decision is up to those who | f. Those who overcome.
profess Christ. Each counsel ends with, | Rev. 2:7,11,17,29
"he that hath an ear..." -- to hear -- | Rev. 3:6,13,22
(only if you want to know) "let him hear |
what the Spirit saith unto the churches."|
: II. Book of Seven Seals.
| A. John's account.
|
Finally, we get to the fourth chapter of | 1. Throne Room.
Revelation. And the student of Scripture |
becomes interested in the subject, which |
according to John says, "After..." these |
things, (of course, he was referring to | Rev. 3:20
the last part of the 3rd chapter, of the | "I stand at the door
message to Laodicea). | and knock..."
|
He says after these things, | 2. John Enters Heaven.
"And, behold, a door was open in heaven: | Rev. 4:1
and the first voice which" spake to me |
"as it were of a trumpet," talked with | Col. 4:3
me; which says, "come up hither, and I |
will shew" you that "which must be here- |
after." |
|
Now, the question to every true Chris- | 3. Do You Believe?
tian is this: Is John telling it as a |
truth, or is John lying to us? We know |
he just gave counsels to the 7 churches |
of Asia, (which were alive and hopefully |
in good health, when he first gave these |
letters to them). But nonetheless, they |
being of Asia, are no wise the same peo- |
ple of us today, or even of the oncoming |
years thereafter. |
|
So, the events of Chapter 4, clearly ex- | 4. A Vision of the hereafter.
plained by John, that his messenger as |
sent to him stated that he'd be taken up | Rev. 4:1
* hither -- therefore a Door opened into | *
Heaven (the Bible records), and he would |
be shown things which must be hereafter, |
* sometimes after John's day. | *
|
| B. Judgment Room.
|
Now what does he behold? In chapter 4 of | 1. John in the Spirit.
Revelation, he says that he was in the |
spirit, "immediately I was in the spirit:| Rev. 4:2
and, behold, a throne was set in heaven."|
And h e states that the throne was occu- |
pied, "one sat on the throne." |
|
And, He that sat upon the Throne, which | 2. Is God the throne?
[was] "lined" with jasper and sardine | Heb. 1:8
stone. A careful student of Scripture, | The Rock -- symbol of Law
knows, all the way through prophecy, all |
the way through the Bible, as far back |
as the days of Genesis, even to the pro- | Deu. 32:4,15,18
phecy of Deuteronomy 32, where it says, | 2 Sam. 22:32 Psa. 31:2,3
God is a rock -- `He is a Rock.' And his | Isa. 8:14, 17:10, 44:8
work is done in truth and righteousness | 1 Cor. 10:4
-- all the prophets refer to God as a | 1 Pet. 2:6
Rock. |
|
Now here we see in Revelation John like- | 3. In & Around the Throne.
wise witnesses God has the appearance of | Rev. 4:3
a jasper and sardine stone. He claims | Eze. 1:26
that there was a rainbow round about the |
throne in sight like an emerald. He care-|
fully saw that there were living crea- | Rev. 4:6-9
tures around the throne saying that God |
is "holy, holy, holy ... which was, and | Rev. 4:8
is, and is to come." A God, who created |
all things, for His pleasure they were | Rev. 4:11
and are created." |
|
Now, this instruction emphasizes, that | 4. 24 Elders.
there is a God, a kingdom, a judiciary, |
(in the respect that John witnesses that | Rev. 4:4
there are 24 elders, sitting on 24 |
thrones, seems to imply a judgment). But | the Prophets & Apostles
uniquely enough in this judgment, or in |
this throne, (or in `this heavenly sanc- | Heb. 8:1-5
tuary,' as we see from the writings of |
Paul, the Apostle), Paul talks about the | Heb. 12:22 (12:18-29)
heavenly sanctuary, the heavenly Sion. | Deu. 4:48
|
In this sanctuary we see a God, a rain- | 5. Mystery of Christ.
bow, a throne; living creatures stating | Eph. 3:4,9
that God is holy; which was, and is, and | Rev. 4:7-8
is-to-come -- God of the past, present, | Eze. 1:10
and future. And that this God, who is | Rev. 4:11
the Creator of all things, is holy and | Col. 1:9-20
deserves to be worshipped. | Col. 1:25-27
|
| C. Sealed Book
|
We continue on in chapter 5, to see that | 1. Scroll.
I beheld, John says, "in the right hand | Rev. 5:1
of him that sat on the throne a book" or |
a scroll -- "sealed with seven seals." |
(Notice, it's written on the inside and |
the backside.) Well the meaning of these |
things can only be speculated, until we |
have solid proof, in other words, unless |
we were there ourselves to see it, in |
detail. |
|
But, what we are allowed to see in the | 2. Congregation.
Scripture, (as John also beholds) [is] a |
mighty angel. In this throne room were | Rev. 5:2
all these angels, "[ten] thousand times | Rev. 5:11
ten thousand, and thousands of thou- | Psa. 68:17-18
sands," are called together. | Dan. 7:10
|
And, this mighty angel questions all | 3. Mighty Angel Prosecutes.
those in heaven, "Who is worthy to open | Rev. 5:2
this book, and to loose the seven seals |
thereof?" Clearly Scripture states, "no | Rev. 5:3
man in heaven, [nor in] earth, neither |
under the earth" (of course `buried' in |
other words, we do have dead in this |
world, you know), was worthy to open |
"neither to look thereon." |
|
So hey! God says in Scripture, at least | a. God's living Book,
John testifies, in Scripture, that the | written in our hearts?
Mystery of God -- His Book -- is sealed. |
|
Well, what happens is, as we continue on | 4. One Worthy to Judge.
we see in Chapter 5, that John begins to | a. John's sorrow.
weep until one of the elders says, "Weep | Rev. 5:4
not" John "behold, the Lion of the Tribe | b. The Lion.
of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevail-| Rev. 5:5
ed to open the book, and to loose [the |
seven] seals thereof." (Of which we know |
the Lamb, being a symbol of Christ, is | c. The Lamb.
brought to view.) |
|
And, John beheld a lamb, that had been | d. Is the Lamb, King?
slain "in the midst of the throne and of | Rev. 5:6
the four beasts," and the elders, with | 1 John 5:7
seven eyes and seven horns. Well, what's | Father, Spirit, Word???
the meaning of these things? |
|
If God, does have a revelation of Jesus | 5. God's Book is the Evidence.
Christ, which he gives to him to show to |
his servants, then here we begin to see | a. Another pointer to Jesus.
the meaning of these things. We see that |
God has a Book, which must be hereafter, |
(sometime after John's day; can-not be |
before John's day). The event is clearly |
identified as [one] which must be in the |
hereafter. And in this event, there's a |
Judgment that takes place. |
|
The Question -- `Who is worthy?' (The | 6. Innocent Victim.
answer, `No man.') The Answer to this -- |
`Only the Lamb.' So, [in] Scripture the | Jesus Christ is a man.
Lamb comes to the One on the Throne and | Rev. 5:7
takes the Book out of his Right Hand, | Rom. 8:34
and all of heaven bows before Him, and | Rev. 5:8,14
gives Him glory and honor. And then John | Who is the Lamb?
beheld the Lamb, in Chapter 6, beginning |
to OPEN THE SEALS. |
|
| D. Overview of the Seals.
|
Now, I've heard a lot of statements the | 1. Let the Record Show.
past couple of days, from people that |
are versed in Scripture, from people |
that are students of the Bible, saying |
this and saying that about the meaning | a. Message or Seal??
of these seals. But remember, we already |
see that in heaven, Christ, when he |
reveals the seals -- He is the only one |
that can do so. And remember, it's al- |
ready been said it's a revelation of | b. Father, Holy Spirit, and Son
Him, so there's a mystery between God |
the Father, His Book, and Christ, and | c. No doubt Koresh is Christian
what He is to reveal. |
|
What Scripture does tell us though, is | 2. First Seal.
that John beheld The Lamb open the 1st | a. Thunder? Perhaps a clue.
seal in chapter 6, there was a noise of | Rev. 6:1
thunder, and one of the 4 beast said |
come and see. John witnessed... . John witnessed that when he opened |
the 1st seal, there was "behold a white | b. The rider on the white horse
horse:" and he that sat up on him had a | Rev. 6:2
crown, a bow was given to him, "and he | Is this rider good or evil?
went forth conquering, and to conquer." |
|
Well, how does this reveal Christ? Oh, | c. Speculations.
well, a lot of people will tell you this |
was the early christian church. The | a hint
white horse is a symbol of purity. Some | 2 Cor. 4:2,3,12-18
even say this is the anti-christ, but |
now wait a minute. A lot of opinions | opinions
have been given on this subject. |
| 3. Second Seal.
So also on the 2nd seal. The man on the | a. The rider on the red horse
red horse has a great sword, going forth | Rev. 6:4
(you know) killing one another... I mean |
come on! Is this a revelation of Jesus | What is the message from God
Christ? | being revealed by Christ?
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| 4. An Executive Overview:
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o [The first seal] | a. Rev. 6:2 (ie The 1st Seal)
|
One who has "a bow", "conquering and | The march of governments??
to conquer" -- sounds like war. | But we are more than
| conqerors. Rom. 8:37 (31-39)
|
o And the 2nd seal. | b. Rev. 6:4 (cf. 1:16)
|
"A great sword", "that they should | Truth wielded as a weapon,
kill one another" -- sounds terrible. | but not in love -- cuts both
| ways. Eph. 4:15
|
o The 3rd seal. | c. Rev. 6:5-6 (cf. 9:4)
|
[The] "man on a black horse," has bal- | Not worth selling your
ances. You know. What's this wheat and | birthright or your soul for.
barley stuff? "Hurt not the oil and | Mat. 16:26 Mar. 8:36,37
the wine." | Luk. 21:34 Heb. 12:15,16
| Deu. 29:17-20
|
o The 4th seal. | d. Rev. 6:7,8 (cf. 1:17,18)
|
"A pale horse," [and the] name of the | Fear not, the Son of man
one who sits on there is Death, and | holds the keys to hell
Hell follows him. How can these things | and death.
reveal Christ? | 1 John 4:18
|
o The 5th seal. | e. Rev. 6:9-11 (cf. 7:14)
|
Souls under [the] altar crying to God | Rom. 8:35,36
to avenge their blood which was shed | So, so many impatient
upon the earth. I mean, what is this? | children under foot.
| How many times...
|
| Rev. 1:9 2:2,3,19
| 3:10 13:10
| 14:12 22:11
| Mat. 18:23-35
| Luke 8:15 21:19
| Rom. 5:3,4 8:25 15:4,5
| 2 Cor. 6:4 12:12
| Col. 1:11
| 1 The. 1:3
| 2 The. 1:4
| 1 Tim. 6:11
| 2 Tim. 3:10
| Heb. 6:12 10:36 12:1
| Jam. 1:3,4 5:7,10,11
| 2 Pet. 1:6
| Tit. 2:2
|
o The 6th seal. | f. Rev. 6:12-17
|
Suns and stars being darkened. The hea-| Joel 2:31 Psa. 102:26
vens depart as a scroll. The sons of | Rev. 6:14
men crying to the rocks and mountains | Isa. 34:4 Heb. 1:10-12
to hide them from the face of the One | Rev. 6:16 (cf. 1:16)
who sets upon the Throne. I mean, The |
One who sets upon the Throne -- that's | Perhaps they hide in an
The Father, that's The Rock, isn't it? | effort to shield themselves
What can these things mean? | from the glory of the Lord.
|
| Gen. 3:8
| Exo. 3:2-4 19:18
| 24:17 33:20-23
| 34:34,35
| Deu. 4:11,12,24 9:3
| Psa. 37:6 97:3-6
| Isa. 30:26
| Dan. 7:9
| Nah. 1:5,6
| Hab. 3:3-5
| Zec. 14:12
|
| Acts 26:13
| Heb. 12:18,25-29
| 2 The. 1:7-10
| 1 Pet. 4:12
| 2 Pet. 3:7-12
| 1 Joh. 1:5
|
| Rev. 14:10-12,18 16:7,8
|
o The 7th seal is opened. | g. Rev. 8:3
|
And all of a sudden `the angel at the | Rev. 6:9 8:3-5 9:2,13
altar.' Then we begin to see the open- | Rev. 11:1 14:18 16:7,8
ing of the trumpets. |
|
Remember now, the 7th seal, contains all | 5. Key Bestowed by God.
the information from that point -- to |
the rest of the Bible. The trumpets con- |
tain a very interesting and unique story,|
but remember, we've got to understand |
`how to find the key' to interpret these |
things -- not with our opinions, but |
with the Mind of God. And no one can do | 1 Cor. 2:16
that, unless we have the Spirit of God. | John 6:63 16:13
And no one can have that, unless God | Psa. 119:50
gives it to us. | 1 The. 3:13
| 2 Cor. 3:3
| Eph. 4:30
|
Now let me review. | E. A Short Review.
|
Notice how during the 6th seal, the | 1. In Seal 6 -- Who Can Stand?
question is asked in the time of God's | (note this)
apparent wrath, who shall be able to |
stand? "For the [great] day of his wrath | Rev. 6:17
is come; and who shall be able to stand?"| Psa. 76:7
|
Notice, how that in, the next chapter, | 2. Sealing the 144,000.
chapter 7, NOT an additional seal is | the tribulation harvest
opened, but an answer. John sees that he |
beheld "four angels standing on the four | Rev. 7:1 9:4
corners of the earth, holding the four |
winds of the earth, that the wind should | Rev. 9:4 8:7
not blow on the earth, nor on the [sea, | James 1:11 Deu. 29:23
nor on any tree.]" |
|
And he saw an "angel ascending from the | 3. Seal of the Living God
east, having the seal of The Living | Rev. 7:2 9:4 14:1
God:" What could that seal be? Who is | 2 Cor. 1:21,22 3:3
The Living God? Is the Living God the | Eph. 1:13 4:30
One on the Throne? Does the Living God | 2 Tim. 2:19
have something that we need to know? | Exo. 13:9,16
Does the Living God have some kind of | Deu. 6:8 11:18
seal? What could the SEAL be? We know |
there's seven seals, but that's sealed. | Son, Spirit, Word ???
No one can know that, but Christ. Well, | Doesn't the sun rise in
who is that angel from the east? | the east?
|
Yes, in Matthew 24, a lot of ministers | 4. Risen Son.
confront me and say, there will be many |
false prophets in the latter days. For | Mat. 24:3,11
remember, Christ told his disciples |
then, that when they see the "abomina- | Mat. 24:15
tion of desolation," as spoken of by the | Dan. 9:27, 12:11
Prophet Daniel, they would understand |
something. And he also said, that when | Mat. 24:23,26
they shall say `[he's] in the desert...' |
[then] go not forth, `he's in the secret |
chamber, believe it not.' For as light- | Mat. 24:27
ning in the east, shall shine unto the | Rev. 10:1
west; so also [shall the ] Son of man be.| Zec. 9:14
|
| F. The 7th Seal.
|
[When the] 7th seal opens -- there's | 1. Trumpets.
silence. And 7 angels and 7 trumpets pre-| Rev. 8:1 (7 & 8 cf. 14)
pare themselves to sound. And it appears | Rev. 8:2,6
that some terrible plagues takes place. | Rev. 8:7-13 9:1-12
What could these things mean? Well, just |
as there was an interruption under the |
6th seal, so is there an interruption | Rev. 9:13
under the 6th trumpet. Under the 6th |
trumpet we learn about a mighty army of | Rev. 9:16
200 million. What are they doing? |
|
Well, we see, that during the break of | 2. 7th Angel(?)
this in chapter 10, a Mighty Angel comes | Rev. 10:1
down from heaven, "clothed with a cloud, | Rev. 1:7 14:14 Mat. 26:64
.. his face ... as it were the sun ... |
his feet are pillars of fire" and he has | Rev. 10:2
"in his hand a little book opened." He | Rev. 5:7
puts his right foot on the [sea], left | Koresh reversed earth & sea
foot on the [earth] and cries and a lion | Rev. 10:3
roars. And when he had cried, "seven | Dan. 12:4,10
thunders uttered their voices." Now what |
are these 7 thunders? What do these |
things mean? How do we categorize this |
book? What are we really looking at? |
Well... |
|
Remember, it is the Revelation of Jesus | 3. "I Do Solemnly Swear."
Christ, which God gave to Him, and re- | a. Another pointer to Jesus.
member the most fearful warning, ever |
given to man in Scripture is the warning | Rev. 22:15
found in Revelation 22, where Christ | Rev. 22:18
says, "For I testify to every man that |
hears the word of this prophecy: If any | "Let none of you imagine
man should add to the words of this | evil in your hearts against
prophecy, God shall ADD unto him the | his neighbor"
plagues that are written in this pro- | Rev. 22:19
phecy. And, if any man shall take away | 1 Peter 2:1-25
from the words of this prophecy, God | Zec. 8:16,17
shall take away his name OUT of the | Pro. 3:29,30
Lamb's Book of Life, and from the things |
in prophecy." |
|
Now that's fearful. That means the book | 4. Orderings.
is not to be messed with or pranked with |
by anybody who would dare, think, that |
they, can by speculation, or private |
opinions, unlock the mysteries of the | Rev. 22:10...
seals and what they contain. Remember |
the events of the 7th seal, contained | "Seal not the sayings of
from the 7th chapter on -- the trumpets | the prophecy of this book"
and the information thereof, just as the |
6th seal contains information thereof. |
|
Well then, what must be hereafter, after | 5. Hereafter.
John's day? A revelation of who? Who |
gave it to him? Who only can reveal it, |
(Revelation 22)? Who's going to come? | Rev. 22:12,17,20
What's he going to bring, his reward? | Rev. 22:12
What is his reward? Is it true in Isaiah | Isa. 62:11 40:10
40 & 41 that, He's going to come with a |
strong hand? Who is the "Behold my ser- | Isa. 42:1 40:10+
vant, whom I uphold?" What do these |
things mean? |
| G. The First Seal.
|
Well, we know in the 1st seal, that | 1. Rider on the White Horse.
Christ opens it and we hear the noise of | Rev. 6:1-2
thunder. One of the 4 beasts says, "Come |
and see." And behold a white horse. "He |
that sat upon him had a bow; [and] a | Zec. 9:13
crown was given unto him: and he went |
forth conquering, and to conquer." |
|
Well, in order to understand this seal, | 2. Christ's Secret.
we have to find out a secret about |
Christ. * In the counsel to the church | *
of Philadelphia, we see Christ addresses |
that church in chapter 3 of Revelation, |
with this message: "And to the angel of | Rev. 3:7
the church of Philadelphia write; These |
things saith he that is holy ... he that |
hath the key of David, he that openeth, |
and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and |
no man openeth." |
|
Well, what does he mean to this church, | 3. Key to the Door.
"I ... set before thee an open door, and | Rev. 3:8
no man can shut it: for thou hast a lit- |
tle strength?" What could this mean? |
What is the Key-of-David? Isaiah 22 | Isa. 22:20
talks about the Key-of-David, but it re- |
fers to "Eliakim." But still, what is |
the Key-of-David? |
|
Well, of ancient times, Christ being the | 4. God's Chosen King.
root and offspring of David. David was a | 2 Sam. 7
great king in Israel. And David was | (God's covenant with David)
anointed of God, being a shepherd lad. |
But through the power of God he was able | 1 Sam. 17
to overthrow, the greatest obstacle in |
his day, Goliath, the Philistine. sing |
5 smooth stones, he chose one, and it | Zec. 9:15,16
sunk deep into the forehead of the giant.|
|
Well, what happens is this. We see that | 5. Psalms Record.
this David wrote 150 Psalms that are | Luke 24:44...
published in most Bibles of today's | establishes correlation
modern world. Now I say that because | - Law of Moses
some scholars will agree, that there are | - The Prophets
other psalms, too. But as far as the | - Psalms
King James, and the books of that cali- |
ber, we have 150 psalms. |
|
Well, our subject is the 1st seal. We | 6. Prophet's Account.
don't want to have any opinions, though. | Mat. 7:12
We just want to simply... see if we |
can't find the mystery of God in the |
prophets. |
|
| H. The 1st Seal in Light of
| The 45th Psalm.
|
Well, let's turn in our Bible to Psalm | 1. God's writing.
45, and let's see if we can't get some |
kind of hint in regards to what the 1st |
seal is. * It states here (this is the | *
King James Version) -- "my heart is | Psa. 45:1
inditing a good matter. I speak of the |
things which I have made, touching the |
king." What could it possibly mean? What |
does it mean, "my heart is inditing a | "indite" (rhet.) -- to write
good matter?" Does that mean "my heart | down (a poem, speech, etc.)
is inditing a good matter?" Is some- |
body's heart inditing a good matter? | Heb. 8:10 10:16
"I speak of things I have made touching |
the king." Does that mean by interpre- | Is this about God's Law (His
tation "I speak of the things I have | righteousness), written in
made touching the king?" Is our subject | our own hearts and minds (as
about a king? Is our subject about some- | a new covenant)? Writing as
body's heart? Is our subject about "my | in Speaking The Word -- a
tongue is the pen of a ready writer?" | new "Living God" being born?
|
Now, who is talking here? Well, natural- | 2. David Anticipates.
ly David of Old is talking here -- cor- |
rect? Well, who is the king he's talking |
about? Solomon?? Well, let's see. "Thou | Psa. 45:2
art fairer than the children of men: | (also compare Psa. 72)
grace is poured into thy lips: therefore |
God has blessed thee for ever." Well, |
Solomon was a wise man wasn't he? Ok, it |
says here, "Gird thy sword upon thy | Psa. 45:3
thigh, O most mighty, [] with thy glory |
and thy majesty." "And in thy majesty | Psa. 45:4
ride prosperously because of truth ..." |
|
I wonder what Solomon rides? Probably, | 3. Rider.
rides a horse, doesn't he? "...and meek- |
ness and righteousness; and thy right | Rev. 19:11
hand shall teach thee terrible things." |
Huh? I guess with a sword in you right |
hand, you could learn a lot of terrible |
things. Whoa (in verse 5), "Thine arrows | Psa. 45:5
are sharp in the heart of the King's |
enemies; whereby the people fall under |
thee." Hmmm. Solomon doesn't seem really |
like too nice of a guy. That is if |
you're enemy. |
|
But anyway, "Thy throne, O God, is for | 4. Thy Throne, Thy God.
.." (Huh? Wait a minute!) "Thy throne, | Psa. 45:6
O God is for ever and..." (Now, wait a |
minute.) Is David saying that Solomon is |
God? No, he's probably just saying that |
God is God. Huh. Well, why would a pro- |
phecy about Solomon have to do with |
God's throne? "Thy throne, O God, is for | Heb. 1:8
ever and ever: the sceptre of thy king- |
dom is a right sceptre. Though lovest | Psa. 45:7
righteousness, and hateth wickedness: |
therefore God, thy God..." (Wait a min- |
ute.) "...therefore God, thy God," what |
could this possibly mean? Who is what |
God? "Thy God, hath anointed thee with | Psa. 89:20
the oil of gladness above thy fellows." | Heb. 1:9
This is very strange, or is it? |
|
Well, let's look at it again a little | 5. Key to God's Heart.
closer. Scripture says that David was a | "again"
man after God's own heart. (Although | 1 Sam. 13:14
David transgressed, and that in no wise | Acts 13:22
is like God's Heart.) But nonetheless, |
David was a prophet, and he was in- |
spired. Could it be that David was used |
by God to write down God's messages that |
would one day be revealed by Christ? If | Recall Psa. 45:1:
Christ does have the Key-of-David, would | "My heart is inditing..."
he not be able to reveal -- the Heart of | "My tongue is the pen..."
God? |
|
God in heaven looks to be a Rock, does- | 6. The Law yields to Love.
n't he? `Oh hard rock God, right. God's | Rev. 4:3
long, God's hard...' but wait a minute. | Song lyrics perhaps??
Through Christ we can see that God is |
not as hard as you think he is. Look at | Rev. 4,5,6
God. Come up hither, in the light of | Keeping heart and mind
the judgment, and see the Father on the | on high.
throne. See the book in his right hand, |
and watch him give it to Christ, and |
watch him open the 1st seal. And let's |
see about this man on the white horse |
who has a crown and a bow. |
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